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  • Discussion: "Both" Tab in Rankings

    Fuhreak wrote: »
    HHG1 wrote: »
    Fuhreak wrote: »
    HHG1 wrote: »
    Yet Nexon went for the half-measure that pleases the vocal minority
    The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Vocal Majority does not mean that the majority feels that way.
    I would say that most people probably do not care about the rankings in the slightest.
    For the players that do, the both tab should not bother you at all if it's not default and the search works as it should.

    The issue is the Both tab being there in the first place as myself and others have explained in previous posts.
    Nexon makes all kinds of adjustments in the name of "balance" while the Both tab is left alone despite being a horribly unbalanced representation of the game. Anyone with basic understanding of what a public ranking is should be able to see why it's an issue.

    Rankings does not affect "balance" it only shows that one server is more popular and/or faster than the others.
    The "balance" you're talking about is a completely different subject matter.
    Since you're able to see that "issue" in the first place, that actually brings to light a different issue.
    That reboot is either more popular or faster than other servers. Both which should be red flags.

    Reboot (one server) should not be more popular than the rest combined.
    Or Reboot, being the "hard server" should not be faster than normal servers.
    The fact is, without the both tab, you wouldn't be aware of such issues in the first place.
    Both tab is actually a good thing, from arguments of your own side.

    When I say that the rankings are imbalanced I mean that they are leaning one way harder than the other because of the differences in servers and cannot accurately represent the in-game balance because the two server types are fundamentally different.

    Your reasoning for the Both tab being useful is quite a reach and has no base in my argument. Having the two separate rankings would still reveal that Reboot is faster. Even the knowledge that Reboot has higher base exp, while regular server cannot use 2x coupons past 250 would make people draw the conclusion that Reboot would reach 275 faster. It makes sense that it's faster.

    Reboot balancing is not what this thread is about though.
    It's about whether having them both compete on the same ranking is appropriate or not. It's not.
    The only thing the Both tab has made incredibly obvious post-250 is the fact that it should not exist. Many of us made the same arguments months and years ago, but it wasn't officially brought up until now.
  • Easy way to stop botters killing our economy

    Not to mention not everyone can one-shot while in dropgear. Trying to land a drop line and 1-2 relevant stat lines is a different hell in itself.
  • Discussion: "Both" Tab in Rankings

    Even if the servers were closer together in progression pace, I still stand by that they should be on separate rankings entirely just because of the differences in progression. It's not a matter of which server is faster to 275, even by margin, it's a matter of whether they should be lumped together on the same rankings while playing under vastly different circumstances.
    Most of the people I've talked to do not care if Reboot gets 275 first, as long as the rankings are separated so that this difference is clear. As it is now it only creates animosity.
  • Discussion: "Both" Tab in Rankings

    Fuhreak wrote: »
    While rankings is being made such a big deal about, I'd like to suggest that the guild rankings are added to the website.
    Those are actually in the game itself, why aren't they displayed on the website, too?

    Another reason to implement KMS rankings. They have a page for guild ranks.
  • Discussion: "Both" Tab in Rankings

    Fuhreak wrote: »
    I have literally never seen this issue brought up while playing since reboot was released. It's a niche issue. Or at least one that has long gone on ignored by players and nexon alike.
    I don't know what kind of conversations you hold in-game, but there is definitely records elsewhere of this being an issue in the past and present.
    There was a larger thread on the topic on the old forums where the CM at the time said they'd bring it up for discussion with the team, it should still be accessible for Nexon at least. And one thread in November 2016 asking for an update.
    Myself and many others have also made inquiries on the topic of rankings in several official live streams and only because of that we got the additional filters "Reboot" and "Non-Reboot" just 8 months ago. Although it was a step in the right direction at the time, the 275 race now makes it apparent that this is still not a satisfactory solution.
    It is not a niche issue. But I'll agree that it has been overlooked far longer than it should. The rankings should have been split with the release of Reboot, but here we are.