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Update to S1 Punch King Ranks for Adele due to Ban

sangyupsangyup
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edited April 5 in Suggestions, Feedback, and Requests
Recently, the player who was rank 1 during season 1 of the World's Best Punch King event for the Adele class was permanently banned for hacking/botting reasons.


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https://maplestory.nexon.net/micro-site/90916

With the recency of the competitive event of World's Best Punch King, would it be possible to get an update on the rankings and rewards due to this? One of the actions taken against permanently banned players is the removal of their character information on official player rankings, and it would seem consistent if similar action is taken on the official rankings page for the Punch King event as well https://maplestory.nexon.net/rankings/punchking, and it would also mean a lot to the ranking adele players who have put in a lot of time and effort into their characters/event. Moreover, it would be very unfortunate if the rewards for the rank 1 Adele (chair and effect) are lost forever on a banned account.
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  1. Should rankings change due to the permanent ban?29 votes
    1. Yes
       59% (17 votes)
    2. No
       41% (12 votes)

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  • fuzzybladefuzzyblade
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    edited April 5
    Nexon should adjust the punchking rankings to remove players banned for violating TOS, and re-send out rewards accordingly. It is only fair to those who did not cheat to earn the rank they deserve and in this case OP deserves rank 1 and its rewards.
    sangyup
  • cvolgcvolg
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    edited April 7
    Your guild mate Felp was just hit with a ban, should we remove him from his punch king ranking too?
    MilkkApathy
  • ohnahohnah
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    edited April 7
    Updating PK rankings would mean an entirely new ranking system that keeps track of a class's entire ranking list, along with constant updates when characters get removed from said ranks and retroactive reward distribution. The tools to do so likely don't exist if this was to be maintained. Season 1 (along with it's outcomes) should be appreciated for what it was back then - if rankings and rewards are important to the player then their time should be dedicated towards Season 2 performance rather than trying to achieve a rank they did not get.
  • sangyupsangyup
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    edited April 8
    felpnwelps wrote: »
    I don't think he should lose his status as the rank 1 Adele. He gapped you by a whole 1.5 seconds. Not 0.5 seconds, not 1 second, but by 1.5 seconds. Have you ever thought maybe he got falsely banned? False bans happen all the time. I got banned for 7 days for using filter keys. Kannas use it all the time and get banned occasionally. I even proved my innocence on Twitch; it was more convincing than the other innocent posts out there. Are you saying I should lose the status as #1 Evan just because I was falsely targeted by Nexon? I don't think that's right. Over 400 people saw my stream and believed in my innocence. Instead of taking time to write these posts, you can grind hard like me (doing 3T exp a day and 8T exp occasionally).

    Good luck.

    Impersonating someone on the forums is against the code of conduct in case you haven't read it, and it seems like you have a lot of time to waste so maybe find something better to do?

    Good luck.
  • sangyupsangyup
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    edited April 8
    cvolg wrote: »
    Your guild mate Felp was just hit with a ban, should we remove him from his punch king ranking too?

    He got unbanned and I would delete this post and rescind my request if the rank 1 adele was innocent and got unbanned as well :)
  • sangyupsangyup
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    edited April 8
    ohnah wrote: »
    Updating PK rankings would mean an entirely new ranking system that keeps track of a class's entire ranking list, along with constant updates when characters get removed from said ranks and retroactive reward distribution. The tools to do so likely don't exist if this was to be maintained. Season 1 (along with it's outcomes) should be appreciated for what it was back then - if rankings and rewards are important to the player then their time should be dedicated towards Season 2 performance rather than trying to achieve a rank they did not get.

    I'm not quite understanding what claim you are trying to make. So you consider a rank to be achieved if cheating was involved to get it? I wouldn't be requesting for this if a lot of time has passed since the event and the questionability of cheating being involved was hazy, but it was quite recent and it seems fair to ask for a retroactive reward distribution. It is also untrue that they don't have the tools to do it because they have already done it in both GMS and KMS with a handful of other characters involved in violations.
  • iTristarziTristarz
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    edited April 8
    sangyup wrote: »
    felpnwelps wrote: »
    I don't think he should lose his status as the rank 1 Adele. He gapped you by a whole 1.5 seconds. Not 0.5 seconds, not 1 second, but by 1.5 seconds. Have you ever thought maybe he got falsely banned? False bans happen all the time. I got banned for 7 days for using filter keys. Kannas use it all the time and get banned occasionally. I even proved my innocence on Twitch; it was more convincing than the other innocent posts out there. Are you saying I should lose the status as #1 Evan just because I was falsely targeted by Nexon? I don't think that's right. Over 400 people saw my stream and believed in my innocence. Instead of taking time to write these posts, you can grind hard like me (doing 3T exp a day and 8T exp occasionally).

    Good luck.

    Impersonating someone on the forums is against the code of conduct in case you haven't read it, and it seems like you have a lot of time to waste so maybe find something better to do?

    Good luck.

    sorry that is my brown big brother felper. the only thing he's guilty of is impersonating the goat duky by getting sent to the bahamas for vacation. he mean no harm. just want to farm
  • ohnahohnah
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    edited April 8
    sangyup wrote: »

    So you consider a rank to be achieved if cheating was involved to get it? I wouldn't be requesting for this if a lot of time has passed since the event and the questionability of cheating being involved was hazy, but it was quite recent and it seems fair to ask for a retroactive reward distribution.

    Not at all. As you'd agree, none of us knows if foul play was involved to get their PK rank. There is no clear evidence to support either cause.

    However, we do know that he was not removed from rankings (while others did) when rewards were initially distributed and was only punished after 6 months after for some action of theirs. 6 months is a long time for this game, but we can leave that as a difference of opinion.

    sangyup wrote: »

    It is also untrue that they don't have the tools to do it because they have already done it in both GMS and KMS with a handful of other characters involved in violations.

    Yes they have redistributed rewards before. However, I think this was a one-time manual effort in GMS, limited to only a small group of people (some people even got the incorrect rank chair in the redistribution). It sounds like I wrongly assumed that you were implying for fairer ask of a re-distribution system that's continuously supported for all classes. If you're only asking for a one-time redistribution only for Adele's because of recent events (not even for DBs, I/Ls, etc.), it just sounds petty and self-centered.
  • sangyupsangyup
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    edited April 9
    ohnah wrote: »
    Not at all. As you'd agree, none of us knows if foul play was involved to get their PK rank. There is no clear evidence to support either cause.

    However, we do know that he was not removed from rankings (while others did) when rewards were initially distributed and was only punished after 6 months after for some action of theirs. 6 months is a long time for this game, but we can leave that as a difference of opinion.

    I'm not sure why you think I would agree with this. The permanent ban with the reasoning of botting/hacking alone is more than enough evidence to suspect foul play. In case you aren't aware, the main method of progression in this game is through countless many hours of hunting monsters in fields. Progressing to a point to be able to compete in an event like this would require an exceptional amount of time and effort. Nexon along with many other game companies put in a lot of time and consideration into decisions like permanent bans relating to violations like botting/hacking, meaning that the violations could have been happening well before the duration of the Punch King event. This is the only uncertainty in this case which is the only thing I can agree on that it is entirely up to Nexon to investigate and make a decision on.

    The players that were removed from rankings that participated in the Punch King event were ones that were already off-rankings from prior violations that did not result in a permanent ban. Entirely different situation.

    ohnah wrote: »
    Yes they have redistributed rewards before. However, I think this was a one-time manual effort in GMS, limited to only a small group of people (some people even got the incorrect rank chair in the redistribution). It sounds like I wrongly assumed that you were implying for fairer ask of a re-distribution system that's continuously supported for all classes. If you're only asking for a one-time redistribution only for Adele's because of recent events (not even for DBs, I/Ls, etc.), it just sounds petty and self-centered.

    I don't see how the redistribution being a one-time manual effort is relevant at all. Why does it matter whether it is manual or automated? Also, like I mentioned, a major reason why I am asking for this is because of the recency of the event; obviously I wouldn't be speaking out about it if it happened after a very long time/several other seasons of the event.

    And it's not that I'm not asking for a continuous re-distribution based on similar scenarios for other classes, but moreso focusing on adele because it is the one that myself and other adele players are involved in. I don't see what is so wrong about that? If other players of their respective classes feel the same way about their rankings and voice it out, I would fully support it because I believe in fairplay. You calling me petty and self-centered just seems like an unnecessary attack to me directly and if you have any issues with me, feel free to dm me on discord my handle is sangnope :)
  • KatgunzKatgunz
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    edited April 11
    If nexon can establish that the reason for cheating by the number 1 punch king adele was happening prior to the punch king rankings, then I agree with sangnope. It seems silly to let someone cheat to the number 1 place and have them keep the title and rewards of number 1. Plenty of professional sports adopt this principle, and I don't see why nexon shouldn't either.
  • g0ater69g0ater69
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    edited April 11
    I agree with adjusting the Punch King rankings for ALL players.

    These rankings are more than just "in-game." They are represented clearly and publicly on Nexon's website: https://maplestory.nexon.net/rankings/punchking

    We can all agree that players who have been permabanned for botting/macroing should not represent Maplestory's legacy.