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Zero Creation Schedule

XeraphimXeraphim
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edited October 2016 in General Chat
I'm on Reboot and have been for several months now (since June I think) and have been checking nearly every day to see if I can make a Zero (because the XP gain is really helpful for my low funded venture). I have not been able to create one but I did manage to squeeze out a Beast Tamer.

What is the Character Creation schedule for a Zero on Reboot?

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  • AKradianAKradian
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    edited October 2016
    Never.

    When Reboot came out, last December, Nexon made it clear that the Zero class would not be available on it. And, so far, it hasn't been.
    In KMS, which has had Reboot for six months longer than we have, Zero has not yet become available, either.
  • XeraphimXeraphim
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    edited October 2016
    Ah, ok. I just thought that since the character creation menu had Zero on it that eventually Zero would be available. I suppose it was a bit of laziness on the Developer end to just copy-paste the Character Generation menu from other servers to Reboot and include Zero. It sure does taunt new players.

    I think us new folks would appreciate it if instead of trying to hunt down some obscure forum post that if a character is never going to be available that said character should not be there in the menu to taunt us.
  • AggraphineAggraphine
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    edited October 2016
    It's probably not as simple as you think to add or remove certain characters from the character creation menu on a per-world basis.
  • XeraphimXeraphim
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    edited October 2016
    Being a modder of various dozens of games in the past, unless they used some "game shell" script to embed the characters into the creation menu, it's probably just some form of a Text file and can be easily changed.
  • ShadEightShadEight
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    edited October 2016
    They should at least gives us a way to get Zero's valueable character card.
  • AKradianAKradian
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    edited October 2016
    Xeraphim
    Xeraphim said:

    Being a modder of various dozens of games in the past, unless they used some "game shell" script to embed the characters into the creation menu, it's probably just some form of a Text file and can be easily changed.
    That may be so, but it's the same text file on all servers.
  • AggraphineAggraphine
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    edited October 2016
    It's the same reason Zero character info windows show the marriage icon(that heart thing) even though they can't actually get married, and for the old hyper skill UI having the same stat passives across all classes(even the ones that don't utilize MP or Demon Fury). There's no point in creating fully separate non-critical resources to the benefit of like, three classes.
  • bumbertyrbumbertyr
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    edited October 2016
    ShadEight
    ShadEight said:

    They should at least gives us a way to get Zero's valueable character card.
    you don't even need it, you have increased rates as it is.
    gamechangerDough
  • AggraphineAggraphine
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    edited October 2016
    A 6%(at S-rank) exp bonus is not going to make or break anything on Reboot. It's honestly negligible and now that I think about it, I'm giving thought to ditch that card and replacing it with something that sucks less.

    With it, if you kill something that gives you 2.5m base exp, you're only getting an extra 150k on top of that. And if you're at the level where things you kill are giving you 2.5m exp per kill, 150k exp isn't even going to register on the exp bar.
  • XeraphimXeraphim
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    edited October 2016
    10% XP from kills is not negligible and that's what Zero grants, according to everything I've read. It's basically an extra lvl 120 Mercedes on your account.
  • AKradianAKradian
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    edited October 2016
    Xeraphim
    Xeraphim said:

    10% XP from kills is not negligible and that's what Zero grants, according to everything I've read. It's basically an extra lvl 120 Mercedes on your account.
    Be aware that neither the Zero card nor the Mercedes link skill stack with any other exp buffs.
    On the other hand, all (KMS) mobs in Reboot give 3x the exp they do in other servers, and that does stack with everything.
    All in all, I think Rebooters have no reason to complain about their exp rates.
    gamechangerDough
  • XeraphimXeraphim
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    edited October 2016
    AKradian
    AKradian said:

    Xeraphim
    Xeraphim said:

    10% XP from kills is not negligible and that's what Zero grants, according to everything I've read. It's basically an extra lvl 120 Mercedes on your account.
    Be aware that neither the Zero card nor the Mercedes link skill stack with any other exp buffs.
    On the other hand, all (KMS) mobs in Reboot give 3x the exp they do in other servers, and that does stack with everything.
    All in all, I think Rebooters have no reason to complain about their exp rates.
    If the XP buffs don't stack, they should be clearly labeled as such. Since the labeling is not present, they must stack.

    In Maplestory, when I kill something with a 2x XP buff going I see an extra XP greentext pop up for my Mercedes Link Skill XP separate from the other XP I am getting. Furthermore, when I have 2x, a rune and Mercedes link skill I see 2 sets of double XP and the Mercedes XP.
    This is in addition to any Party XP I receive, which is also a separate greentext.

    So, in actual play the XP buffs seem to work in parallel (effectively stacking). This is part of why I want the 10% from getting Zero to lvl 200 on Reboot. I am a casual player and cannot devote excessive amounts of time to Maplestory. In fact if Nexon decided to nerf playtime to 10 hours total per week I would be relatively unaffected.

    As for the Reboot XP rates, they are still too low for my tastes, even if what you say is true about the 3x. In my experience the only "3x XP" was the Burning Event where you get 3 levels when you attain a level up, until lvl 150.
  • AKradianAKradian
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    edited October 2016
    Xeraphim
    Xeraphim said:

    AKradian
    AKradian said:

    Xeraphim
    Xeraphim said:

    10% XP from kills is not negligible and that's what Zero grants, according to everything I've read. It's basically an extra lvl 120 Mercedes on your account.
    Be aware that neither the Zero card nor the Mercedes link skill stack with any other exp buffs.
    On the other hand, all (KMS) mobs in Reboot give 3x the exp they do in other servers, and that does stack with everything.
    All in all, I think Rebooters have no reason to complain about their exp rates.
    If the XP buffs don't stack, they should be clearly labeled as such. Since the labeling is not present, they must stack.

    In Maplestory, when I kill something with a 2x XP buff going I see an extra XP greentext pop up for my Mercedes Link Skill XP separate from the other XP I am getting. Furthermore, when I have 2x, a rune and Mercedes link skill I see 2 sets of double XP and the Mercedes XP.
    This is in addition to any Party XP I receive, which is also a separate greentext.

    So, in actual play the XP buffs seem to work in parallel (effectively stacking). This is part of why I want the 10% from getting Zero to lvl 200 on Reboot. I am a casual player and cannot devote excessive amounts of time to Maplestory. In fact if Nexon decided to nerf playtime to 10 hours total per week I would be relatively unaffected.

    Yes, it's a separate line. Did you ever look at the numbers in there?
    Let's say you kill a monster that normally gives 1000 exp.
    If you have Mercedes Link Skill, you'll see the white line of 1000 exp and the Mercedes line of 100 exp.
    Now let's say you have Holy Symbol cast on you.
    You'll see the while 1000 exp line, a yellow (idk why you call it green) 500 exp from HS, and a yellow 100 exp from Mercedes link skill.
    That's what I mean about not stacking: Mercedes is still giving you only 100 exp even though you have HS.
    Same thing happens with 2x (server-wide, personal coupon, or from activating a rune): Mercedes bonus does not apply to the "you received bonus exp" line, only to the base.
    Xeraphim
    Xeraphim said:


    As for the Reboot XP rates, they are still too low for my tastes, even if what you say is true about the 3x. In my experience the only "3x XP" was the Burning Event where you get 3 levels when you attain a level up, until lvl 150.
    All KMS monsters in Reboot give 3x base exp. You don't see it as separate lines, so you may not be aware of it. But try killing the same monster (on level-appropriate characters) in Reboot and non-Reboot and you'll see.
  • CatoooloooCatooolooo
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    edited October 2016
    Xeraphim
    Xeraphim said:

    Being a modder of various dozens of games in the past, unless they used some "game shell" script to embed the characters into the creation menu, it's probably just some form of a Text file and can be easily changed.
    im pretty sure they Reference the same
    Xeraphim
    Xeraphim said:

    AKradian
    AKradian said:

    Xeraphim
    Xeraphim said:

    10% XP from kills is not negligible and that's what Zero grants, according to everything I've read. It's basically an extra lvl 120 Mercedes on your account.
    Be aware that neither the Zero card nor the Mercedes link skill stack with any other exp buffs.
    On the other hand, all (KMS) mobs in Reboot give 3x the exp they do in other servers, and that does stack with everything.
    All in all, I think Rebooters have no reason to complain about their exp rates.
    If the XP buffs don't stack, they should be clearly labeled as such. Since the labeling is not present, they must stack.

    In Maplestory, when I kill something with a 2x XP buff going I see an extra XP greentext pop up for my Mercedes Link Skill XP separate from the other XP I am getting. Furthermore, when I have 2x, a rune and Mercedes link skill I see 2 sets of double XP and the Mercedes XP.
    This is in addition to any Party XP I receive, which is also a separate greentext.

    So, in actual play the XP buffs seem to work in parallel (effectively stacking). This is part of why I want the 10% from getting Zero to lvl 200 on Reboot. I am a casual player and cannot devote excessive amounts of time to Maplestory. In fact if Nexon decided to nerf playtime to 10 hours total per week I would be relatively unaffected.

    As for the Reboot XP rates, they are still too low for my tastes, even if what you say is true about the 3x. In my experience the only "3x XP" was the Burning Event where you get 3 levels when you attain a level up, until lvl 150.
    Reboot players get 3x the exp that normal servers get, I have no sympathy for you rebooters when it comes to EXP, so I think its fine that Zero is only for "Real servers"
    gamechangerDoughPetalmagic
  • gamechangergamechanger
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    edited October 2016
    Aggraphine

    A 6%(at S-rank) exp bonus is not going to make or break anything on Reboot. It's honestly negligible and now that I think about it, I'm giving thought to ditch that card and replacing it with something that sucks less.

    With it, if you kill something that gives you 2.5m base exp, you're only getting an extra 150k on top of that. And if you're at the level where things you kill are giving you 2.5m exp per kill, 150k exp isn't even going to register on the exp bar.
    Do be more considerate before writing off Zero like that (and its 8% EXP at S rank, 10% at SS rank, which is laughably easy to get on a Zero with a 2x quest exp coupon). You can run numbers all day long and talk about how it won't move the bar on its own (which is true), but still miss the bigger picture.

    Since it gives you 10% extra base exp, assuming you have no exp multipliers on, that means every hour you spend grinding, you gain 110% of the experience that you would have gained without the Zero card. Which means that for every 10 hours you spend grinding, you effectively net a "free" hour's worth of experience, which is actually extremely significant at higher levels where it takes hundreds of hours to level up.

    Of course this effect is reduced if you train with exp multipliers, but it is nonetheless extremely useful
  • ShadEightShadEight
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    edited October 2016
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    bumbertyr said:

    ShadEight
    ShadEight said:

    They should at least gives us a way to get Zero's valueable character card.
    you don't even need it, you have increased rates as it is.
    We only have increased rates because there isn't a 2x card in the cash shop and we can't trade thus we can't easily acquire card buffs in use tab (apart from sunday monster park and events). It balances out against the p2win servers.

    Also, it's odd that you say we don't need 10% exp card but you don't object to mercedes character card, which gives more. I mean we don't NEED merc's link either, yet it's still there.

    Furthermore, if rates make leveling such a breeze in reboot, then how is a character that gets to lvl 180 in less than a week imbalanced? Assuming they don't bring quest booster to the cash shop.
  • PetalmagicPetalmagic
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    Meanwhile...as I religiously run bosses and get two levels a day (Gonna try for 180 today on my Demon Slayer)...No reason to complain about EXP...and Zero is just not something that is needed. It starts at an inflated level (100) and basically gets free pass dungeon type fighting to 180, cheap weapon upgrades, Crafting levels...do I need continue...
  • pepepepe
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    edited October 2016
    Petalmagic

    Meanwhile...as I religiously run bosses and get two levels a day (Gonna try for 180 today on my Demon Slayer)...No reason to complain about EXP...and Zero is just not something that is needed. It starts at an inflated level (100) and basically gets free pass dungeon type fighting to 180, cheap weapon upgrades, Crafting levels...do I need continue...
    What's wrong with a certain character getting to 180 easier? Would you quit your main just to play a Zero at 180? I know I wouldn't and I see no reason to suggest that Zero isn't 'needed', other than pure envy.

    I doubt the majority of rebooters are going to simply jump to Zero, they're not even that popular in the normal worlds to being with (as a main). Honestly level 180 isn't as grand as it used to be. Nexon just did a burning event up to lvl 150 (or 153), which is better than starting than 100.
  • XeraphimXeraphim
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    edited October 2016
    pepe
    pepe said:

    Petalmagic

    Meanwhile...as I religiously run bosses and get two levels a day (Gonna try for 180 today on my Demon Slayer)...No reason to complain about EXP...and Zero is just not something that is needed. It starts at an inflated level (100) and basically gets free pass dungeon type fighting to 180, cheap weapon upgrades, Crafting levels...do I need continue...
    What's wrong with a certain character getting to 180 easier? Would you quit your main just to play a Zero at 180? I know I wouldn't and I see no reason to suggest that Zero isn't 'needed', other than pure envy.

    I doubt the majority of rebooters are going to simply jump to Zero, they're not even that popular in the normal worlds to being with (as a main). Honestly level 180 isn't as grand as it used to be. Nexon just did a burning event up to lvl 150 (or 153), which is better than starting than 100.
    I have, in the past, and definitely will again if the option comes available, STOP what I am doing and grind a Zero to lvl 200. Then I'll go back to my whatever. So your opinion is one perspective, while mine is another.

    As far as the "easy mode" complaint, just stop it. It's Reboot. Reboot is your own personal experience and it doesn't hurt any markets. Just stop it. That's like saying nobody can have any ice cream at all because you can't have coconut nutmeg flavor.

    Reboot doesn't have quest XP boosters.
  • pepepepe
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    edited October 2016
    Xeraphim
    Xeraphim said:

    Then I'll go back to my whatever.
    So you'll get the character card and NOT main a zero. Thanks for proving my point.
    Xeraphim
    Xeraphim said:

    As far as the "easy mode" complaint, just stop it. It's Reboot. Reboot is your own personal experience and it doesn't hurt any markets. Just stop it. That's like saying nobody can have any ice cream at all because you can't have coconut nutmeg flavor.
    Is this an argument against zero in reboot? Because it's sounds like the opposite.
    Xeraphim
    Xeraphim said:

    Reboot doesn't have quest XP boosters.
    What're you afraid of then?