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Like I said before in my earlier post give people the option to choose their path in my last post. Also its not insulting people im only pointing out what they said similar to what you did. I am only pointing out that we need a solution and from what we seen most aren't providing solutions only saying we can't. If we can't this thread has no place. it should be taken down and done with while for some reason the only thing I hear is We or I can't. We will have this solution solve once we can say we can and solve the issues. Remember words are powerful and what you say manifest. Now choose to fight thin air or come up with ideas to help everyone be happy. I posted my ideas you post yours instead of posting other people comments. I wont need to post yours cause why would I distract or post a distraction from the topic at hand. I care less about that, I only care for solutions and results. So you can post and find my previous comments and keep posting it. Most people who read it honestly will see some good points and maybe add on like earlier before.
DarkPassenger wrote: »This topic will be forever like the paradox of what happens when an immovable object meets an unstoppable force.
The only thing I can say anymore is, the "good ideas" sound like wishful thinking, saying things will get better without any evidence or any reasoning how things will get better with a merge shows nothing of value. There's no evidence to support that one world with 100+ channels will deter any bots and hackers, saying it will won't convince anyone. Stuff like that, you know? just making claims without objective reasoning behind the claims. And there's no evidence in the past to support the claim either.
Also, the whole “majority” case doesn’t work, just because a “majority” people want it, doesn’t make it the right course of action. If that way of thinking was how people governed a nation, there would be no order. Sometimes the best ideas aren’t a result of a collective mind, a majority vote.
The concerns we whom oppose have been generated from a smaller scale which is the recent world transfer and then our subjective reasons of being in a quieter world with little competition for training grounds, etc. the bot reasoning is a reasonable concern because that’s what happened when everyone moved to bera, to continue monopolization, bots followed the people. So that concern was taken from a past event which would result worse on a bigger scale. Simply saying Nexon can ban them doesn’t help, Nexon has tried to do sweeps but innocent players got banned as a result as well, and whatever changes they make to their security system, hackers always find a way.
I could try to answer each point you made, but right now I just want to ask you a "yes or "no" question. Should every world other then Bera be dead?
You don't have to agree or disagree with merging everything into Bera, or 2 worlds or whatever, just answer yes, or no.
you right here sir said something so simple and so easy that any one even a child could get it. Its a yes or no question if you feel its wishful thinking you have no place here lmao. We are here to answer the big answer should all the worlds be merge together. Its either yes or no. so thats how we should answer from now on instead of pulling ---- out our maples.
Mercedes4Ever31 wrote: »tl;dr for my response: that botched essay of a post above mine is mostly irrelevant and contradictory (even though the intention was to get people to bring more relevant solutions into the thread), and the only solution suggested in it was to bring people together.
Honestly, the majority of that essay has nothing to do with this thread, and the bits that are relevant contradict either themselves or your point about trying to not be nonsensical here. Don't talk about Nexon's interest and what they would consider profitable? They run the game; it's expected that the majority of decisions they make would be in their best interest, whether it be profit-wise or for some other reason, and they have to make the decision about world merges (basically, it's on topic). You bring up the people you claim you've spoken to, but you also bring up this 400k number for ms2 (source?) and do nothing with it. Are you saying that you've spoken to the majority of this number? If not then it has no reason to be brought up, as with the rest of this. You not being in the ms1 discord (when I found the link in 5 seconds by going to the home page...), you being "the most community guy in nexon" and being helpful in 2 worlds, you calling yourself the best for some reason, and what seems to be your signature "this isn't hate speech" ending...none of that is relevant. And the only thing remotely close to a solution you stated in that entire post was to have the community come together.
So then, can we all come together and agree at most we should only have 3 non reboot servers.
It's better than nothing.
But we all (the majority, not just a very few people) understand that the best solution is just to merge all the worlds into Bera, also if a very few people want an empty server so bad then we can easily just merge everything into Bera (except Reboot and Scania) and then give people the option to move to Scania, so then watch how just a very few people move to Scania (all those people who didn't like Bera as a full one big world).
Also keep in mind, the most important thing is that those very few people who want a dead server, must be thankful for people like me and my friends who keep on wasting an insane amount of money (yes, because we can and our families are wealthy), so it's very very important to keep this in mind, because without people LIKE ME and my FRIENDS, those empty servers, no, the entire game wouldn't even be here.... because we all know what would happen if no one buy nx and spend $$ on this game.... so YES! you guys (the very very very few people who want an empty) must be thankful to people like me and my friends who wasted over 10k$+ in total (and continuing to waste more and more).
Sorry for my english, I'm korean.
See, it's things like this that are pushing me to start to not take some of these responses seriously. Why are you bringing up how much money you spend on the game? Nobody cares. This is a thread about world merges, not how deep your pockets are. And the fact that you're telling people that they should be thankful for you just shows how self-interested your opinion on the matter is. I'll be thankful towards the people that load up once in their lifetime to get a royal hair coupon over someone like you who tries to flaunt about how much money they spent to try and make people think that they are more important. Not to mention I have no reason to believe you.
DarkPassenger wrote: »Saying the majority is misleading because there's no more than 10 people in the thread
Wrong, but it doesn't matter anyway, as many people have mentioned, this is an MMPORG game, it must have as many people as possible.
And therefore, your opinion is disqualified from the foundation.
Statement: Majority is an incorrect statement because the number of people arguing to merge all worlds in this thread is less than 10.
Response: Your opinion isn't relevant because this is an MMORPG.
?????????
He's definitely right, you're completely wrong, because as he said, this is an MMPORG game, and we all know that there won't be any new players because Nexon do nothing about it, so our last hope is just to merge all the worlds, in order to make it a real MMPORG game, where you can actually really interact with others instead of interacting (see) hackers and botters 24/7.DarkPassenger wrote: »DarkPassenger wrote: »Saying the majority is misleading because there's no more than 10 people in the thread
Wrong, but it doesn't matter anyway, as many people have mentioned, this is an MMPORG game, it must have as many people as possible.
And therefore, your opinion is disqualified from the foundation.
watch out everyone, this guy has the authority to disqualify people from the foundation. You realize the number of players doesnt change whether there's a merge or not, for example, if theres 100,000 players total, distributed to their worlds, merging them all into one or three worlds wont add or decrease the 100,000. so "it must have as many people as possible" doesnt even apply to this. Secondly, an MMORPG isn't what you think it is, Massively multiplayer online role-playing games (MMORPGs) are a combination of role-playing video games and massively multiplayer online games in which a very large number of players interact with one another within a virtual world. which maplestory already does, it's the mechanics and gameplay that qualifies maplestory as mmorpg. You pick a class, and join the game. You can still interact with others. So what the game needs isnt a merge but more players if you want to say "needs as many people as possible."Some people enjoy a dead server, like my friend who plays on Bacon.
We understand that, but again, for the 10th time, you're a minority, ask around people, almost every single person you ask will tell you exactly what he feels and that he wants to merge world now.
I've asked some people a couple days ago and everyone told me the same thing, they were like "who the hell say no to merge? they're crazy"
Of course he's wrong, they're not crazy at all, some people do love en empty servers, but what it does say and show you, is the fact that the overwhelming majority doesn't want an empty server, everyone wants a vivacious server with a TON of people, great economy, fun with people, meet new friends, etc, we're humans!!
this is just natural that we want to hang out with people and meet new people, this is simply just nature...
Why in the world do we have to suffer for just a couple of people who don't like it? it doesn't make any sense.
For the 10th time, stop using this majority argument (at this point though, I think there's nothing I can do to convince people to stop). Most posters here that use this haven't even given a smidgen of another legitimate reason for merging everything or possible alternatives. People are open to transfers and merges, just not to merging everything into Bera. Your argument doesn't even make sense with this, considering you get what you want (to be in a more populated server), and we get what we want. What's hard to understand about that?
I have to disagree with you and tell you that the proof we have for a merge is the state of the game... it really is dead! and I'm in Bera...
It's a shame we still have such a minority who is trying to fight against the realistic and the only solution to this chaos/problem...
Mercedes4Ever31 wrote: »tl;dr for my response: that botched essay of a post above mine is mostly irrelevant and contradictory (even though the intention was to get people to bring more relevant solutions into the thread), and the only solution suggested in it was to bring people together.
Honestly, the majority of that essay has nothing to do with this thread, and the bits that are relevant contradict either themselves or your point about trying to not be nonsensical here. Don't talk about Nexon's interest and what they would consider profitable? They run the game; it's expected that the majority of decisions they make would be in their best interest, whether it be profit-wise or for some other reason, and they have to make the decision about world merges (basically, it's on topic). You bring up the people you claim you've spoken to, but you also bring up this 400k number for ms2 (source?) and do nothing with it. Are you saying that you've spoken to the majority of this number? If not then it has no reason to be brought up, as with the rest of this. You not being in the ms1 discord (when I found the link in 5 seconds by going to the home page...), you being "the most community guy in nexon" and being helpful in 2 worlds, you calling yourself the best for some reason, and what seems to be your signature "this isn't hate speech" ending...none of that is relevant. And the only thing remotely close to a solution you stated in that entire post was to have the community come together.
So then, can we all come together and agree at most we should only have 3 non reboot servers.
It's better than nothing.
But we all (the majority, not just a very few people) understand that the best solution is just to merge all the worlds into Bera, also if a very few people want an empty server so bad then we can easily just merge everything into Bera (except Reboot and Scania) and then give people the option to move to Scania, so then watch how just a very few people move to Scania (all those people who didn't like Bera as a full one big world).
Also keep in mind, the most important thing is that those very few people who want a dead server, must be thankful for people like me and my friends who keep on wasting an insane amount of money (yes, because we can and our families are wealthy), so it's very very important to keep this in mind, because without people LIKE ME and my FRIENDS, those empty servers, no, the entire game wouldn't even be here.... because we all know what would happen if no one buy nx and spend $$ on this game.... so YES! you guys (the very very very few people who want an empty) must be thankful to people like me and my friends who wasted over 10k$+ in total (and continuing to waste more and more).
Sorry for my english, I'm korean.
See, it's things like this that are pushing me to start to not take some of these responses seriously. Why are you bringing up how much money you spend on the game? Nobody cares. This is a thread about world merges, not how deep your pockets are. And the fact that you're telling people that they should be thankful for you just shows how self-interested your opinion on the matter is. I'll be thankful towards the people that load up once in their lifetime to get a royal hair coupon over someone like you who tries to flaunt about how much money they spent to try and make people think that they are more important. Not to mention I have no reason to believe you.
DarkPassenger wrote: »Saying the majority is misleading because there's no more than 10 people in the thread
Wrong, but it doesn't matter anyway, as many people have mentioned, this is an MMPORG game, it must have as many people as possible.
And therefore, your opinion is disqualified from the foundation.
Statement: Majority is an incorrect statement because the number of people arguing to merge all worlds in this thread is less than 10.
Response: Your opinion isn't relevant because this is an MMORPG.
?????????
He's definitely right, you're completely wrong, because as he said, this is an MMPORG game, and we all know that there won't be any new players because Nexon do nothing about it, so our last hope is just to merge all the worlds, in order to make it a real MMPORG game, where you can actually really interact with others instead of interacting (see) hackers and botters 24/7.DarkPassenger wrote: »DarkPassenger wrote: »Saying the majority is misleading because there's no more than 10 people in the thread
Wrong, but it doesn't matter anyway, as many people have mentioned, this is an MMPORG game, it must have as many people as possible.
And therefore, your opinion is disqualified from the foundation.
watch out everyone, this guy has the authority to disqualify people from the foundation. You realize the number of players doesnt change whether there's a merge or not, for example, if theres 100,000 players total, distributed to their worlds, merging them all into one or three worlds wont add or decrease the 100,000. so "it must have as many people as possible" doesnt even apply to this. Secondly, an MMORPG isn't what you think it is, Massively multiplayer online role-playing games (MMORPGs) are a combination of role-playing video games and massively multiplayer online games in which a very large number of players interact with one another within a virtual world. which maplestory already does, it's the mechanics and gameplay that qualifies maplestory as mmorpg. You pick a class, and join the game. You can still interact with others. So what the game needs isnt a merge but more players if you want to say "needs as many people as possible."Some people enjoy a dead server, like my friend who plays on Bacon.
We understand that, but again, for the 10th time, you're a minority, ask around people, almost every single person you ask will tell you exactly what he feels and that he wants to merge world now.
I've asked some people a couple days ago and everyone told me the same thing, they were like "who the hell say no to merge? they're crazy"
Of course he's wrong, they're not crazy at all, some people do love en empty servers, but what it does say and show you, is the fact that the overwhelming majority doesn't want an empty server, everyone wants a vivacious server with a TON of people, great economy, fun with people, meet new friends, etc, we're humans!!
this is just natural that we want to hang out with people and meet new people, this is simply just nature...
Why in the world do we have to suffer for just a couple of people who don't like it? it doesn't make any sense.
For the 10th time, stop using this majority argument (at this point though, I think there's nothing I can do to convince people to stop). Most posters here that use this haven't even given a smidgen of another legitimate reason for merging everything or possible alternatives. People are open to transfers and merges, just not to merging everything into Bera. Your argument doesn't even make sense with this, considering you get what you want (to be in a more populated server), and we get what we want. What's hard to understand about that?
I have to disagree with you and tell you that the proof we have for a merge is the state of the game... it really is dead! and I'm in Bera...
It's a shame we still have such a minority who is trying to fight against the realistic and the only solution to this chaos/problem...
lmao bro you do know for some people common sense isn't a thing. Of course if you look at the state of the game it says it all. But some people are fighting for a non existent agenda that doesn't benefit anyone. I understand that arwoo posted this thread with the intentions that there would be people who can come up with solutions, but instead we have people fighting a fight that makes no sense. We the people need to have the game the way we want it. Some people don't want to merge with bera due to the fact of the hacker and dupper issue which is why I can't blame them also due to the greedy culture as well. Korean markets are good cause they help their own and look out for each other as a majority and not just a minority. This is what we must look at how other countries gaming community threats everyone. They look out for the bigger and little person cause it does effect everyone. Maybe people are fighting against this cause they want to be different, maybe they have a personal hate, maybe they doing it just cause they don't have anything better to do. what ever the reasoning is we must unite and do whats right for everyone. Even if I hated a person if I felt they were right for the job I go with that person. I at least acknowledge that some people aren't capable all the time if we like them. Sometimes we must entrust the future to those we hate if intentions are good. Maybe a person we do like can do the job what matters now is results. We need results and we need it now. I listed ideas for a better maple in my previous post but let some other people post real ideas to fix the game so arwoo and who ever can hurry up and fix the game. Remember this isn't nexon or people hate speech this is only constructive criticism for the future and ideas to help stimulate ideas and thoughts for future goals and achievements riza 2018
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tl;dr for my response: that botched essay of a post above mine is mostly irrelevant and contradictory (even though the intention was to get people to bring more relevant solutions into the thread), and the only solution suggested in it was to bring people together.
Honestly, the majority of that essay has nothing to do with this thread, and the bits that are relevant contradict either themselves or your point about trying to not be nonsensical here. Don't talk about Nexon's interest and what they would consider profitable? They run the game; it's expected that the majority of decisions they make would be in their best interest, whether it be profit-wise or for some other reason, and they have to make the decision about world merges (basically, it's on topic). You bring up the people you claim you've spoken to, but you also bring up this 400k number for ms2 (source?) and do nothing with it. Are you saying that you've spoken to the majority of this number? If not then it has no reason to be brought up, as with the rest of this. You not being in the ms1 discord (when I found the link in 5 seconds by going to the home page...), you being "the most community guy in nexon" and being helpful in 2 worlds, you calling yourself the best for some reason, and what seems to be your signature "this isn't hate speech" ending...none of that is relevant. And the only thing remotely close to a solution you stated in that entire post was to have the community come together.
So then, can we all come together and agree at most we should only have 3 non reboot servers.
It's better than nothing.
But we all (the majority, not just a very few people) understand that the best solution is just to merge all the worlds into Bera, also if a very few people want an empty server so bad then we can easily just merge everything into Bera (except Reboot and Scania) and then give people the option to move to Scania, so then watch how just a very few people move to Scania (all those people who didn't like Bera as a full one big world).
Also keep in mind, the most important thing is that those very few people who want a dead server, must be thankful for people like me and my friends who keep on wasting an insane amount of money (yes, because we can and our families are wealthy), so it's very very important to keep this in mind, because without people LIKE ME and my FRIENDS, those empty servers, no, the entire game wouldn't even be here.... because we all know what would happen if no one buy nx and spend $$ on this game.... so YES! you guys (the very very very few people who want an empty) must be thankful to people like me and my friends who wasted over 10k$+ in total (and continuing to waste more and more).
Sorry for my english, I'm korean.
DarkPassenger wrote: »Saying the majority is misleading because there's no more than 10 people in the thread
Wrong, but it doesn't matter anyway, as many people have mentioned, this is an MMPORG game, it must have as many people as possible.
And therefore, your opinion is disqualified from the foundation.
He's definitely right, you're completely wrong, because as he said, this is an MMPORG game, and we all know that there won't be any new players because Nexon do nothing about it, so our last hope is just to merge all the worlds, in order to make it a real MMPORG game, where you can actually really interact with others instead of interacting (see) hackers and botters 24/7.DarkPassenger wrote: »DarkPassenger wrote: »Saying the majority is misleading because there's no more than 10 people in the thread
Wrong, but it doesn't matter anyway, as many people have mentioned, this is an MMPORG game, it must have as many people as possible.
And therefore, your opinion is disqualified from the foundation.
watch out everyone, this guy has the authority to disqualify people from the foundation. You realize the number of players doesnt change whether there's a merge or not, for example, if theres 100,000 players total, distributed to their worlds, merging them all into one or three worlds wont add or decrease the 100,000. so "it must have as many people as possible" doesnt even apply to this. Secondly, an MMORPG isn't what you think it is, Massively multiplayer online role-playing games (MMORPGs) are a combination of role-playing video games and massively multiplayer online games in which a very large number of players interact with one another within a virtual world. which maplestory already does, it's the mechanics and gameplay that qualifies maplestory as mmorpg. You pick a class, and join the game. You can still interact with others. So what the game needs isnt a merge but more players if you want to say "needs as many people as possible."Some people enjoy a dead server, like my friend who plays on Bacon.
We understand that, but again, for the 10th time, you're a minority, ask around people, almost every single person you ask will tell you exactly what he feels and that he wants to merge world now.
I've asked some people a couple days ago and everyone told me the same thing, they were like "who the hell say no to merge? they're crazy"
Of course he's wrong, they're not crazy at all, some people do love en empty servers, but what it does say and show you, is the fact that the overwhelming majority doesn't want an empty server, everyone wants a vivacious server with a TON of people, great economy, fun with people, meet new friends, etc, we're humans!!
this is just natural that we want to hang out with people and meet new people, this is simply just nature...
Why in the world do we have to suffer for just a couple of people who don't like it? it doesn't make any sense.
DarkPassenger wrote: »DarkPassenger wrote: »wanting an active population isn't an objective issue, it's a want not a need.
You also claim that in October that the majority of players went to Bera and that those who are in dead servers are people that actually want to be in dead servers. And if you don't want to be in a dead server, to bad so sad, get rekt. There's been 5 threads recently asking for a world merge (3 of them got merged into this one) and threads before, people are saying they want a world merge, people are saying that those in their dead worlds want a world merge. Of course this isn't an intricate perfect method to make an analysis of who the majority is, but we can take a comfortable guess. This is an issue where I believe if the majority want to play with each other it is best for the game, this is an issue that is logically directly connected to what the majority desires. Now it isn't a need to have the game at its best, but that isnt't much an argument
I didnt say those that are in dead servers want to be in them, I said only those that got left behind are the ones advoacting for a merge. Quote me correctly if youre going to quote me. as far as "too bad getk rekt", I dont say stupid **** like that. Dont quote that I said that, because I dont talk like that.
Did you not dismiss me saying "you shouldn't have missed it"? Hence the "too bad get rekt". I would agree with you, but this world transfer ended so badly, that I don't think anyone should be left in a world that are dead as these.
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