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Finish the "Active to Passive" Resolution

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  • LolaBunnyLolaBunny
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    edited September 2017
    DarkPassenger wrote: »
    Rage is an optimal range booster for phantom. the others are survivability in that Impeccable memory. Bless is second to rage, there would be no replacement for phantom to gain some damage in that area. As I main phantom, I would have to oppose to most of these as I have most of them in my tool set. I wouldnt be opposed though to removing the reflect from Rage. It is pretty useless, even at a low level.

    Unless they make it so phantom can steal non explorer skills (which I doubt) or significantly rework phantom ( which is highly unlikely) the actives shouldnt become passives, of course it isnt just like that for phantoms.
    Fair enough, I don't mind rage being a buff, but I just don't like how it has such a weak counterattack effect. If that was removed, I'd be happy. As a hero main, the effect aggros mobs while doing such low damage which is why I rarely ever turn on rage unless I'm training or fighting a boss.
  • ClawStaffClawStaff
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    edited September 2017
    Some people complained about party buffs being removed if they did this. They could just do it like BTs cat mode then, with them automatically recasting without animation.
  • LolaBunnyLolaBunny
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    edited September 2017
    ClawStaff wrote: »
    Some people complained about party buffs being removed if they did this. They could just do it like BTs cat mode then, with them automatically recasting without animation.

    Only phantoms would complain.
  • DarkPassengerDarkPassenger
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    edited September 2017
    GoldenRabbit wrote: »
    ClawStaff wrote: »
    Some people complained about party buffs being removed if they did this. They could just do it like BTs cat mode then, with them automatically recasting without animation.

    Only phantoms would complain.

    So how would you propose they change phantom's mechanics if everything else was turned passive?
  • BeefBeef
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    edited September 2017
    Make self buffs passive, party buff should stay as active but make it so its like maple warrior, no delay.
  • OdysseyTwoOdysseyTwo
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    edited March 2018
    Source: https://orangemushroom.net/2018/03/28/kms-ver-1-2-294-job-balancing-boss-adjustments/
    The Skill Select system has been removed from Urus. The system was designed to increase enjoyment of a large party battle by reducing the number of skills used in the map so you could see them all. However, it is more important to reduce the gap between characters based on how many skills they could use.
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    This just in, KMS removed Ursus' 8 Skill Limit. Greatly reducing the priority of this suggestion.
  • OdysseyTwoOdysseyTwo
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    edited March 2019
    News: https://orangemushroom.net/2018/12/07/kmst-ver-1-2-079-winter-class-balancing/
    OdysseyTwo wrote: »
    AKradian wrote: »
    OdysseyTwo wrote: »
    Hero
    Combo Attack - When would you ever NOT turn this skill on?

    When you're just socializing in town and don't want those red spinning orbs around you - or, worse, around a seemingly random part of your chair or mount.
    Or when you're doing a tricky jump quest and want as few visual distractions as possible.
    (In fact, people have asked to be able to hide Lumi's orb, Cannoneer's monkey, Kanna's Haku, and Evan's Mir, for the same reasons).
    Maybe an additional rule can be added to your list of when a skill can't be fully passive: when it has a visual effect.
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    Wild Hunter's Feline Berserk, Wind Archer's Albatross's cape, and now Luminous's Eclipse and Equilibrium's face change can have their visual effects toggled on and off by right-clicking their skill icons in the Skill Inventory. So a solution to the visual effect rule is making all visual effects from buffs toggleable by right-clicking their skill icons in the Skill Inventory.
    More than 1 year later...
    Hero
    Combo Attack: you can now right-click the skill icon in the skill window to turn the Combo effect on/off, the number of Combo counters can now be checked in the buff section in the top right part of the window
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    Wind Archer
    Wind Blessing AKA Touch of the Wind: has been changed into a passive skill
    See? Was that so hard now? And you only cried for 20 minutes it only took you 20 months. Now do the same with Illusion Step, Dusk Guard and Psychic Armor!
  • FuhreakFuhreak
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    edited December 2018
    For F/P Mages, I would be happy if just the weapon boost + elemental decrease could be made passive.
    Ignite/Magic Guard can be argued to have reason to be turned off.
    I've left Magic Guard off on purpose in Dojo sometimes to save MP when I have an auto heal available. (5th job node)
    Ignite can not only heal Pierre, but Phantom can benefit from it as well. I wouldn't want to further reduce Phantom's skill pool.

    Pierre really should be changed so that DR and/or DoT skills don't heal him.
    It's pretty bad that a F/P mage can stop attacking completely and still heal him completely by accident. (One could argue that a lot of classes could do this)
    But I don't really see a reason for making Pierre more annoying to fight than Vellum.
  • OdysseyTwoOdysseyTwo
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    edited July 2021 
    IN B4 Necrobump will cause this thread to be closed

    Source: https://orangemushroom.net/2021/04/11/maplestory-customer-conference-summary/
    They are planning to change some active buff skills to passive skills.

    Source: https://orangemushroom.net/2021/04/21/customer-conference-suggestions-notice-board/
    No: 30
    Category: Job Balance
    Improvement Information: Change Jobs with a High Number of Active Skills to Passives
    Answer: In the April 22 update, some active buffs will be changed into passives. In addition, we will continue to improve this.
    Application Schedule: Always
    Application Status: Always



    Sources: https://orangemushroom.net/2020/09/16/kms-ver-1-2-338-full-moon-party-job-balancing/
    https://orangemushroom.net/2021/04/21/kms-ver-1-2-347-maplestorys-18th-anniversary-blooming-forest/
    https://orangemushroom.net/2021/05/20/kms-ver-1-2-348-maplestorys-18th-anniversary-pt-2-improvements/
    https://orangemushroom.net/2021/06/17/kms-ver-1-2-349-maple-live/
    https://orangemushroom.net/2021/07/08/kmst-ver-1-2-124-lara-changes-improvements/
    As of July 12, Illusion Step for Bowmaster and Marksman, Weapon Booster for Bowmaster, Wind Archer, Phantom, Wild Hunter, and Xenon (and more to come), Cygnus Knights' Elemental Summons (except Blaze Wizard's), Wind Archer's Albatross/Max, Phantom's Bad Luck Ward and Priere D'Aria, Luminous' Dusk Guard and Dark Crescendo, Wild Hunter's Feline Berserk, and Xenon's Efficiency Streamline and Hybrid Defenses have become passive or toggle skills in KMS.
  • DracoNosferatuDracoNosferatu
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    edited July 2021
    DarkPassenger wrote: »
    Rage is an optimal range booster for phantom. the others are survivability in that Impeccable memory. Bless is second to rage, there would be no replacement for phantom to gain some damage in that area. As I main phantom, I would have to oppose to most of these as I have most of them in my tool set. I wouldnt be opposed though to removing the reflect from Rage. It is pretty useless, even at a low level.

    Unless they make it so phantom can steal non explorer skills (which I doubt) or significantly rework phantom ( which is highly unlikely) the actives shouldnt become passives, of course it isnt just like that for phantoms.

    that's really selfish. I as evan would sacrifice damage for the sake of not having buffs at all. If a arch mage or bishop are in my party and their bless/meditation becomes passive. I'd give up gladly on the magic attack boost for their sake to have a smoother gameplay.
    "Ohh no, don't make hero's or other explorers easier cuz I want my tiny 30 attack boost wehhh" dude wtf. it's only 30 attack.
    There's a solution for phantom. give him extra 30 attack in one of his passives like mastery or booster or something and you don't have to use rage. How about that?