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Closed Changes to Drop Rate Formula Confirmation
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Except most Rebooters (me included) I know wouldn't even think about going into the normal servers so there goes NX and playtime from Reboot players. Not like it matters anyway for this dying game.
A lot of the players here are way more in touch with the game than any of the developers. Many of us have done the research and over 90% of us conclude that the only beneficiary of these nerfs is botters. The economy is integral to this game in main servers (reboot has its own issues that many have explained above). The change isn't about being more hardcore, it penalizes legitimate players who invested time, energy, economic knowledge and sometimes money to be able to farm endgame drops effectively which they sell at fair and low prices to other legitimate players who don't have this gear. Even with the increase in base drop the players with no drop gear would take an incalculably long time to max out their boost and skill nodes (we know this from KMS research) without buying the nodes from somewhere. This brings us back to the economy: right now players with no drop gear can buy nodes at 30m a piece from legitimate farmers (economically the only barrier to entry here is drop gear so this is a highly competitive market if you've taken economics), post nerf the main source for nodes will be botters (the barrier to entry here is illegal programs and hundreds of accounts which is only achieved by career hackers so is a highly uncompetitive market); botters can control these prices to their benefit as there is no one to challenge them anymore.
So unless you use illegal programs to play this game there's no upside to this change.
Then tell me, what do you have in mind for what they could possibly be doing to counter this?
I'll tell you what could actually be beneficial to the players (and no, I'm not only talking about myself): They could have increased the droprate of more than just Nodestones as a temporary measure (like Symbols, Arcane Droplets, etc) because it's obvious how much of an impact this would have, and how shortsighted it would be. They could have also added dailies to get Arcane Droplets, especially since Reboot players need it the most. They could also release Arcane River dailies with the new areas instead of waiting 6 months after release (Lachelein, Arcana, and most likely Moras). However, KMS had Nodestones in mind when they changed the drop rate formula, since that was what they decided to "improve" the drop rate of.
The only other huge thing they could be doing is overhauling the V Matrix's functionality entirely (since like I said, they were primarily considering Nodestones), which I doubt they're planning any time soon.
And they did change Nodestones in KMS to give skills for your class only, but keep in mind how many of those skills still exist, and how many will actually be useful to you past a certain point, especially if you maxed your major skills.
I called you that because I call things as I see it. There's room for debate and there's room for insults, and you're not above doing that either. You try to present yourself as rational, objective, and the bigger man, yet it's okay for you to act condescending and tell people to "quit crying over it" and to stop "throwing tantrums"? The lack of self-awareness is amazing. And I already presented my arguments toward your point, which you handwaved because it's inconvenient for you.
Yes, the economy is already messed up. Does that mean we should try to actively, and knowingly, make it worse? Let's see how well that works out in real life.
Not that I really care about calling myself a "hardcore mapler", and not sure what that has anything to do with it, but okay? Even hardcore maplers are allowed to criticize Nexon's decisions, unless they're not really Scotsmen.
And actually, it's not about me, because of 2 reasons:
1. I actually haven't spent real money on this game in years (last time I did was pre Big Bang), and I have almost no drop rate boosts.
2. I can actually see things from the perspective of other people, instead of just thinking "It doesn't affect me so you guys just deal with it". Like others have pointed out, it affects Reboot players the most, especially those who try to collect Arcane Droplets for the level 200 weapon. Using your words, it's about seeing the "bigger picture" with the drop rate for many of these items, and how it affects the economy. We already have botters controlling many aspects of our economy, we don't need another category there.
People are pissed about more than just the fact that they spent money on their gear (if they actually did, since Reboot players don't spend real money on cubes), but rather how it will affect other aspects.
That is, if they actually have something in mind at this moment, and they didn't just do it on the spot because they wanted to limit progression.
thats a nice paragraph and all throwing in Economics 101, but theyre just making this more of a grind game, until they implement the system that mitigates the draw back of the drop rate nerf.
Im not looking down at you, Im looking through you towards the bigger picture. Say what you want but theres something coming after this. Im not affiliated with nexon, they dont give me free stuff so I have no incentive to kiss their behind. Sure, this halts momentary progress but probability would tell us that this isnt how itll stay, there will be something placed to rebalance the changes. it's up to the players to adapt to the changes or to let this change beat us to our knees.
You wanted logic and rationalization instead of someone calling you a bootlicker and when we give it to you, you just dismiss it out of hand??? It also doesnt increase the grind, people will just be paying more money to botters to get their nodestones, great grind there...
"people will be paying more to botter" that will be their decision to do so, Nexon will never direct the player base to do this. you call what you posted logic and rationalization but your end result was to say "people will resort to paying more to botters and hackers" that just implies players are lazy.
Its not that the players are lazy, it will be completely infeasable to reach any sort of endgame without buying from botters, so Nexon may not have directed players to buy from botters, but they sure aren't leaving any othere avenues open, I've given you plenty of logic as to why people will resort to buying from botters and hackers so maybe you should actually read what people say instead of taking the last line and saying theres no basis to it. Or, if you really think no one has an analytical enough mind to compete with you, the perhaps you can do your own analysis based on the information we're given my Nexon and the players in other regions you have tested this change and actually provide some insight as to how this would benefit anyone other than those who use illegal programs.
You sure as hell are looking down on everyone. It's undeniable at this point. You've been doing that. Whether or not you have anything to gain from defending every horrendous action Nexon takes, you sure do seem to think your thinking is superior to everyone else's. You think everyone but you is blinded to reality and that it's your job to educate them. You think you have some kind of impenetrable moral high ground. You think everyone else's arguments are meaningless and baseless while you do nothing but dismiss them. And when you realise that no one agrees with you, you act like you're the victim of silencing.
You're no better than what you think the community is if you're going to treat them like trash just to make yourself feel big.
Why don't we half all exp rates and see how you respond? You'd probably defend that just as much. You'd say something like "This is just more of a challenge. You're all overreacting."
Then let's remove potentials and nebulites. "guys quit crying so much, can't you handle a challenge?"
Maybe if you'd get off your damn high horse for once and throw away your belief that the community is some unruly child that complains that they don't always get what they want, you could have a more desirable conversation on a subject. But until then, that's not happening. Right now, you're only making yourself look more and more like some arrogant elitist looking to start an argument. Take your superiority complex elsewhere. You're not making anyone want to agree with you by treating them like ignorant scum.
The biggest problem here is feedback isn't really being taken into account anymore. There's no good reason for this change and it doesn't help anyone. Not even people without drop gear. This version of the game can't afford crap like this to happen. It's not completely dying yet but it is stagnating. A handful of people are probably going to quit over this change and you can expect even more to quit if the new KMST patch makes it through with no changes. Changes like these aren't healthy for the game.
call me any name you want. I won't do the same to you. I'll defend your right to do so.
So your plan is to outcast anyone that opposes your same views on this change?
I was in 6/7th grade when I started playing, I'm working on my bachelor's now. I played through all the changes. Up til now. They have my nx history, they know how much or how little I've spent throughout the years. This is no different.
Seek some help kid, get off these comments. You make zero sense, you sound bitter.
I honestly don't know why you are constantly riding on Nexon on everything. You really want people to suffer don't you? It's fanboys like you that want the game to become absolutely extinct with the amount of riding. Kms is slowly dying and will certainly lose a lot more players after the boss drop nerf changes. Gms will suffer the same fate as well if Nexon America will constantly copy and paste.
Do us a favor and stay off the forums and stop riding on Nexon's behind. You are obviously a troll and are wasting your time commenting here.
How about instead of trusting KMS data you do your own testing when the changes are applied. To quote someone from the forums "that's what led to the whole dps chart debacle"
Even now someone with the same amount of drop rate as another won't get the same results even if they farm for the same amount of hours.
This is starting to seems a lot like a safe space where you can't oppose the majority's feelings. End up putting words in your mouth and dismiss you as this or that. This may work in politics now a days but this isn't politics. I'm sure nexon wants to hear all types of feedback. Not just people that are against their big picture moves.
People have been making suggestions to increase the drop rate for nodestones and symbols but did they do that? No they did not.
(Like I said in a post earlier, while they said they buffed the drop rate because of how drop rate is calculated now it's not a buff)
People have been asking for increased cube drop rates or to make cubes more accessible on the non reboot servers. Have they done that? No they did not.
They could have easily done one of the two to fix this widening gap without screwing anyone. The progression is always going to be different for each player because there are people who have more time to play and people who don't. If I work 12 hours and one guy works 6 should he earn the same money for the same job? No he **** shouldn't. That's just the plain reality people need to accept especially when it comes to MMO games. If they wanted progression to be more even they shouldn't have divided it in the first place by shoving p2w in our faces.
The butchery changes to drop rate gear that Nexon has done is just morally wrong. Rather than providing an alternative solution that doesn't screw a large majority they decide on screwing a large majority. These are people who have invested hundreds into drop gear early on. People funding this game so it stays up and they just took a massive dump on all of our faces and for what? This change doesn't help anyone. Not even the unfunded. At least with increased drop rates the unfunded don't have to suffer without having drop gear like they are now and can eventually invest in drop gear for increased rates. Seems like the more ideal solution.
First of all, in reboot any casual player can obtain drop rate and meso rate gear within a month of playing so this is a nerf to reboot players across the board.
You complain about how people are debating you but all I've seen from your responses to mine are one line non-sequiturs, and I've seen you putting words in my mouth more often than anyone has to you. If you really are working on your bachelor's degree you should know how to discuss and debate an issue. And before you start complaining about how im attacking you in a safe space let me quote another of your posts
All you did here was try and make fun of the fact that I was using basic economics and then throw in the non-sequitur of the grindiness of the game. So if you can't construct a proper response to anyone I can see how people get annoyed rather quickly. As a side note, Economics 101 has many useful analysis techniques that, although simple can provide great insight that is universally understood.
With the information we have from all our souces, if you could explain how this change has a beneficial effect on the health of the game I would be open to hearing it and discussing it, but if you respond to me as you have been I'm going to stop considering it worth my time to respond to you.