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★★ Allow Cash Items and RP to function like KMS ★★

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  • PhantomMasterThiefPhantomMasterThief
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    edited April 2018
    Please consider this , it will greatly improve the game.
  • CatoooloooCatooolooo
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    edited April 2018
    someone going to the fest should ask about this
    PhantomMasterThief
  • LightningSparkLightningSpark
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    edited April 2018
    So has this been mentioned by the developers in the maplestory fest ?
  • DaxterbeerDaxterbeer
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    edited May 2018
    So has this been mentioned by the developers in the maplestory fest ?

    this hasn't been addressed in maple fest, but I would love to be have the ability to buy pets with RP as well as shop without having a limit on cubes and scrolls
  • LightningSparkLightningSpark
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    edited July 2018
    So, i would like to remind nexon about this, this would bring so many players back into the game if we could buy 70% of the cash shop using only mileage/reward points, i also would like for you, nexon, to change all the 90-day duration cash items to a permanent duration like in KMS.

    also note that you can't buy cubes (from the cash shop, not the mileage/reward points shop) with 100% mileage/reward points, however you can even buy fusion anvils with 100% mileage/reward points (HOW Awesome is that!)

    And having the ability to practically sell/trade ALL the cash items in the auction house or to other players is the best thing in this whole thread.


    PLEASE NEXON AMERICA, GIVE US THE ABILITY TO TRADE/SELL ALL THE CASH ITEMS, AND TO BUY MOST, BUT NOT ALL OF THE ITEMS IN THE CASH SHOP USING 100% MILEAGE/REWARD POINTS, THIS WILL MAKE GMS' POPULARITY RAISE UP DRAMATICALLY, AND WOULD BE AN AMAZING S-QOL (SUPER QUALITY-OF-LIFE-UPDATE)
    ManiOh
  • KushyDragonKushyDragon
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    edited July 2018
    Improving Reward Points:


    Make reward points function excatly the same as they do in : KMS/JMS/CMS/TMS/ThaiMS/MSEA
    In those regions you are able to buy some cash shop items with full reward points price ( 100% Reward Point and 30% Reward Points Options, and not just a 30% discount )
    • Items Like: 90 day Cash clothes, pets ,pet skills, pet equips, and the list goes on....

    • This would be amazing because we could buy temp nx or other good stuff from the cash shop with reward points only.
      again, not all of the items in the cash shop are purchasable with full reward points

    • ( instead of paying, for ex: 2,500 NX, you can pay 2,500 in Reward points to purchase an item from the cash shop )
      not from the rewards shop.

    Edit more info about this: In KMS you can choose to pay with 30% mileage or 100%. The latter will make the cash item unable to payback, trade or gift.
    Items that cannot be purchased with Mileage:

    - Limited items, discounted items and packages
    - Power Elixirs, Monster Life related items ( Power Elixirs comes as a bonus when purchasing maple points coupon from the cash shop in the other regions )
    - Gacha items (pandora box, royal etc)
    - Items with gift function like friendship rings

    You can buy Cash items using 100% Mileage! Some items have a limit per Nexon ID, you cannot gift, trade, or pay-back items bought from the Mileage Shop.

    In addition to regular methods of collecting Mileage, you can now defeat Elite Monsters and get Mileage Packages. These can be used up to 5 times per Maple ID and give 50~80 Mileage each.


    Credit for the extra information goes to: Spadow and OrangeMushroom


    Now i know it's a small thing but... having played kms as low-level player i was Level 30, and got 60 Reward point token by defeating a tough elite mob or monster, however you want to call it, just... felt.... Incredibly Rewarding, and just that little thing made me want to continue playing, it's like the game said: "Well Done for clearing this hard content, here's a reward for your efforts"

    it's those little things that keep the players coming back for more :)


    And please make all NX Equips in the Cash shop have a permanent duration.




    PS. I know that Botters and Hackers are a HUGE problem in GMS, but we shouldn't suffer just because of them.
    ie : meso market wasn't implemented in gms for a while because of botters, but look now, we have the meso market, and everythings fine, mesos are still inflated, and were inflated even before the meso-market was introduced.

    * Also note that ThaiMS ( Thailand ) is a new server and they already have all of the above features.
    Yes Can confirm played on that server, everything is accurate.

    Here's a video of a ThaiMS Player buying a perm cash clothes with Mileage only ( Reward Points ) he has 6 Cash ( NX ), 82 Maple Points, and 57 Mileage ( Reward Points ) before he buys the item, after he bought the item he is left with 8 Mileage ( Reward Points ) , 6 Cash ( NX ), and 82 Maple Points.

    The currency at Thailand is different, and the a ThaiMS player told me, that 1 Cash = 1 Thai baht so the cash items at ThaiMS are not cheaper then in GMS or Vice Versa.
    ( Start watching from: 1:25 )





    Terms:
    • THMS / ThaiMS = Thailand MapleStory
    • TMS = Taiwan / Hong Kong MapleStory
    • CMS = China MapleStory
    • KMS = Korea MapleStory
    • JMS = Japan MapleStory
    • EMS = Europe MapleStory
    • GMS = Global MapleStory
    • MapleSEA / MSEA = South East Asia MapleStory
    • Mileage = Reward Points

    *Edit: Apparently you can even purchase items with full reward points in MapleSEA ( So Reward points works the same way across all the regions, besides GMS )


    Improve Cash Items, and Crafted Cubes and possibly Crafted Flames, Make them all fully Tradeable:

    In Every Region Besides GMS, players can freely trade: Pets / Red, Black, Bonus Cubes / Crafted Flames and Crafted Cubes / PSOK / Cash Scrolls / Style Boxes etc,
    in the Auction house or to other players.

    That's the real big change nexon should make, i'm sick of having Account Tradeable only Nodestones because of excuses like: "It's Because of Botters and hackers"
    *I know that you can get fully tradeable Nodestones from nodecrafting, but that's just not enough. ( also with the lower drop rate we get even less nodestones then before, so less node shards in turn making even less crafted nodes.

    This really kills the market, you know how awesome would it be to buy a perm pet or a bonus potential cube from the auction house ?
    or let's say you done cubing and you got 5 cubes left, in current gms you get 3 options:

    1. Cube something else and hope for the best
    2. Sell it as a service to someone else
    3. Let it rot in your inventory until it expires

    In the other regions ( yes every region besides GMS, i'm talking about KMS, TMS, CMS Etc..., even MSEA which is ran by Asia Soft which Many Sea players keep saying they are an even worse company )

    Players have 5 Options:

    1. Cube something else and hope for the best
    2. Sell it as a service to someone else
    3. Sell it in the auction house for mesos
    4. trade it to another player for meso or service
    5. Let it rot in your inventory until it expires

    Here's the Auction House in KMS:

    *Note: That in order for a Cash or NX item to be fully tradeable to either; another player, or to sell in the auction house, the item Must be bought with NX-Only Cash items bought with Maple Points, or Reward Points ( if we get the option to use 100% Reward Points on certain Cash Items like in other regions )
    are Not Tradeable at all.

    So someone still has to pay NX for the item ( but that someone has the choice to either, use it, or sell it )

    And obviously the item must not be used ( can't trade perm nx after you wear it ), or a cash coupon after you used it.

    *I don't know how would GMS' NX-Prepaid and NX-Credit Unique System would work with that however, ( GMS is the only region with NX credit and Prepaid, other regions only have 4 options; Cash ( NX ), Maple Points, 30% Reward Points Discount, Pay with 100% Reward Points ( for certain items like pets and cash clothes )


    Please Nexon, listen to us; introduce/implement this suggestions and PERM NX in the cash shop, then we get PERM NX in the cash shop, instead of 90 days, and you get that money from us ( because it would have a permanent duration instead of 90 days, people would start buying )


    TL;DR:
    GMS Should make all Cash Equipment Tradeable with other players and in the Auction House ( Like all the other regions can )
    that is why KMS Regular Server are more popular then reboot ( You can buy Red, Black,Bonus Potential cubes or even pets with Meso from the Auction House )

    All Cash Items purchased with NX would be Fully Tradeable to other players, and to sell on the Auction House, Remove Trading restrictions of Most of the items, like Crafted cubes, dropped Nodestones, and possible Crafted Flames.

    Make GMS' Reward Point Function The Same as KMS' Mileage: Being able to buy certain items from the cash shop with 100% Reward Points like; Pets, Cash Clothes, etc.
    and make Elite Mobs and Bosses drop Reward Point Token ( that give about 50 - 80, and have a limit of 5 Per Day )

    Remove Trading Restrictions from items that have the prefix: "Transferable Through Account Only" in GMS, Allow us to fully trade Cash Items in the Auction House and With Other Players, like the other regions can, that should help everyone tremendously

    Add to the poll: And The Tradeability of all Cash Items.

    Then Everyone will be Happy <3



    You're dealing with Nexon America, they'll just pump out more pay to win content, and they won't do that option because they'll lose out on NX sales.

    It's just the way how Nexon America works, they want to make us KMS and every other server for NX purchases and how the game works. But when to comes to being consumer-friendly...

    Goodluck.


    Also this won't affect reboot at all either.
    ManiOh
  • Its2Sharp4UIts2Sharp4U
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    edited July 2018
    Also this won't affect reboot at all either.

    I disagree. The changes made with Improving Reward Points listed by PhantomMasterThief would allow Reboot players to afford cosmetics by simply doing bosses/elite mobs/monster collection and every other RP method not listed.

    Sure Reboot may benefit a lot less, but saying there is no hope and dismissing it with the whole, "Nexon isn't gonna do crap", is good as being on the side of P2W content. A lot of us already know Nexon generates revenue through Marvel/DMT/Philo and other sales, but how much would it actually stop players from purchasing NX if more free-to-play methods are introduced? I think it would welcome current and new players as well.

    Also if the game was more free-to-play I'd invest more NX into cosmetics like Surprise Style, Perm Sales rather than Marvel, DMT, Scroll Sales, Philo, or any other methods.
    PhantomMasterThief
  • PhantomMasterThiefPhantomMasterThief
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    edited July 2018
    @KushyDragon

    Never say never, look at Flames and 25★ (Nexon said they won't implement flames, but eventually they did And 25 stars along side it)

    Nexon America, really started to improve GMS Bit-By-Bit although there are still MANY missing pieces, it really shows that they actually are trying now, so go ahead and suggest ideas, so nexon would look into them, and maybe try to implement them.

    They even added Occult Cubes as boss drops (that sht helps a lot of F2P, New Players, or just for mules), a small thing that is a really nice QOL.

    So i do believe that nexon cares, but GMS is bugged AF, and It's REALLY REALLY REALLLY hard to clean up all the mess that piled up over all of these years in the game's client, (the client has a ton of unused content like nebulites are still hogging resources for the game !?, and other untranslated stuff from all the other regions that is never used in GMS)

    Hopefully a lot more suggestions and requests from the community would get implemented as time passes on :)

    PS. KushyDragon lemme give you a tip, type: spoiler Quoted Text /spoiler (put both of the: spoiler and /spoiler in square brackets like this; [Example]) so you won't have those HUGE Walls of replies with just small bit of actual text.

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  • KushyDragonKushyDragon
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    edited July 2018
    Also this won't affect reboot at all either.

    I disagree. The changes made with Improving Reward Points listed by PhantomMasterThief would allow Reboot players to afford cosmetics by simply doing bosses/elite mobs/monster collection and every other RP method not listed.

    Sure Reboot may benefit a lot less, but saying there is no hope and dismissing it with the whole, "Nexon isn't gonna do crap", is good as being on the side of P2W content. A lot of us already know Nexon generates revenue through Marvel/DMT/Philo and other sales, but how much would it actually stop players from purchasing NX if more free-to-play methods are introduced? I think it would welcome current and new players as well.

    Also if the game was more free-to-play I'd invest more NX into cosmetics like Surprise Style, Perm Sales rather than Marvel, DMT, Scroll Sales, Philo, or any other methods.

    Sadly, I've been around MapleStory 1 for about 15 years, and It's not getting any better.

    Instead of keeping the nebs and flames like luna had and there was no issues with it... They took out easily obtainable damage such as the 50% bossing, etc. And they added another RNG based system. But they won't add flames and such to the cash shop?

    I mean if you wanted another RNG option so badly, then just add them to the cash shop too.

    You have to realize again this is Nexon America you're dealing with, and they've been doing bad business practices when it comes to micro-transactions for years. You'd think if they wanted to be fully KMS, we wouldn't have half of what we got in GMS in general.

    So to ask Nexon America to completely change the way they do business by losing more revenue? It's not logical for them as a company.

    Regardless of if Philo, DMT, and other things make nexon the money.

    If they were to allow us the freedom to buy the coupons and other items with RP? Nexon would lose out on profits.


    Trust me, I'm pretty anti P2W on gaming in general...but I had to learn to adapt to Nexon America's ways.


    Any time I spoke out against Nexon America about p2w and so many other things, I'd end up getting the ban hammer, them calling me a "crusader" against them for trying to boycott NX sales until they fixed things.

    This was over 5 years ago, and again It's just not improving.


    What I'm trying to say overall, is that what you're asking is a farther long shot than you realize.



    PS: Also if the game was more free-to-play I'd invest more NX into cosmetics like Surprise Style, Perm Sales rather than Marvel, DMT, Scroll Sales, Philo, or any other methods.

    The game is free to PLAY, not free to get all the NX things you like without having to pay a dime to nexon. It's a KOREAN 2-D, Side-Scrolling, Platforming MMORPG. Not runescape.

    And even in RuneScape, there's still membership, etc.

    So there's going to be microtransactions in any game now. It's our fault as well for continuing to support the business practices, not all of us, but most.
  • PhantomMasterThiefPhantomMasterThief
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    edited July 2018
    Also this won't affect reboot at all either.

    I disagree. The changes made with Improving Reward Points listed by PhantomMasterThief would allow Reboot players to afford cosmetics by simply doing bosses/elite mobs/monster collection and every other RP method not listed.

    Sure Reboot may benefit a lot less, but saying there is no hope and dismissing it with the whole, "Nexon isn't gonna do crap", is good as being on the side of P2W content. A lot of us already know Nexon generates revenue through Marvel/DMT/Philo and other sales, but how much would it actually stop players from purchasing NX if more free-to-play methods are introduced? I think it would welcome current and new players as well.

    Also if the game was more free-to-play I'd invest more NX into cosmetics like Surprise Style, Perm Sales rather than Marvel, DMT, Scroll Sales, Philo, or any other methods.

    Sadly, I've been around MapleStory 1 for about 15 years, and It's not getting any better.

    Instead of keeping the nebs and flames like luna had and there was no issues with it... They took out easily obtainable damage such as the 50% bossing, etc. And they added another RNG based system. But they won't add flames and such to the cash shop?

    I mean if you wanted another RNG option so badly, then just add them to the cash shop too.

    You have to realize again this is Nexon America you're dealing with, and they've been doing bad business practices when it comes to micro-transactions for years. You'd think if they wanted to be fully KMS, we wouldn't have half of what we got in GMS in general.

    So to ask Nexon America to completely change the way they do business by losing more revenue? It's not logical for them as a company.

    Regardless of if Philo, DMT, and other things make nexon the money.

    If they were to allow us the freedom to buy the coupons and other items with RP? Nexon would lose out on profits.


    Trust me, I'm pretty anti P2W on gaming in general...but I had to learn to adapt to Nexon America's ways.


    Any time I spoke out against Nexon America about p2w and so many other things, I'd end up getting the ban hammer, them calling me a "crusader" against them for trying to boycott NX sales until they fixed things.

    This was over 5 years ago, and again It's just not improving.


    What I'm trying to say overall, is that what you're asking is a farther long shot than you realize.



    PS: Also if the game was more free-to-play I'd invest more NX into cosmetics like Surprise Style, Perm Sales rather than Marvel, DMT, Scroll Sales, Philo, or any other methods.

    The game is free to PLAY, not free to get all the NX things you like without having to pay a dime to nexon. It's a KOREAN 2-D, Side-Scrolling, Platforming MMORPG. Not runescape.

    And even in RuneScape, there's still membership, etc.

    So there's going to be microtransactions in any game now. It's our fault as well for continuing to support the business practices, not all of us, but most.
    Did you even read my thread?

    In KMS you can choose to pay with 30% mileage or 100%. The latter will make the cash item unable to payback, trade or gift.
    Items that cannot be purchased with Mileage:

    - Limited items, discounted items and packages
    - Power Elixirs, Monster Life related items ( Power Elixirs comes as a bonus when purchasing maple points coupon from the cash shop in the other regions )
    - Gacha items (pandora box, royal etc) Royal hair, surprise style boxes, gachapon tickets, Cannot be purchased with 100% Reward Points, it can only get a 30% discount with reward points (like we currently have)
    - Items with gift function like friendship rings


    If Nexon wanted to they could make the reward points system better, aka; the EXACT same as KMS Mileage, they wouldn't lose revenue but even gain more, since a lot more people would play, and thus resulting in more money spent = everyone wins
  • L4d2jpnL4d2jpn
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    edited August 2018
    With the recent changes to boss entry and the removal of star planet, I think adding this along with elite boss token drops would be a fairly good compensation.

    I've never hit the monthly cap (does that even exist anymore?) but I'm all for more ways to get RP along with having more items to actually spend them on.

    Also having a way to purchase bonus cubes I'm sure would be a huge plus for everyone.

    P.s. Kushy - What you did and what OP is suggesting are completely different. Don't try and bunch them into the same category.
  • PhantomsitoPhantomsito
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    edited August 2018
    Amazing thread, i really wish nexon could reply...
  • Its2Sharp4UIts2Sharp4U
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    edited August 2018
    Sadly, I've been around MapleStory 1 for about 15 years, and It's not getting any better.

    Instead of keeping the nebs and flames like luna had and there was no issues with it... They took out easily obtainable damage such as the 50% bossing, etc. And they added another RNG based system. But they won't add flames and such to the cash shop?

    I mean if you wanted another RNG option so badly, then just add them to the cash shop too.

    You have to realize again this is Nexon America you're dealing with, and they've been doing bad business practices when it comes to micro-transactions for years. You'd think if they wanted to be fully KMS, we wouldn't have half of what we got in GMS in general.

    So to ask Nexon America to completely change the way they do business by losing more revenue? It's not logical for them as a company.

    Regardless of if Philo, DMT, and other things make nexon the money.

    If they were to allow us the freedom to buy the coupons and other items with RP? Nexon would lose out on profits.

    Trust me, I'm pretty anti P2W on gaming in general...but I had to learn to adapt to Nexon America's ways.

    Any time I spoke out against Nexon America about p2w and so many other things, I'd end up getting the ban hammer, them calling me a "crusader" against them for trying to boycott NX sales until they fixed things.

    This was over 5 years ago, and again It's just not improving.

    What I'm trying to say overall, is that what you're asking is a farther long shot than you realize.

    The game is free to PLAY, not free to get all the NX things you like without having to pay a dime to nexon. It's a KOREAN 2-D, Side-Scrolling, Platforming MMORPG. Not runescape.

    And even in RuneScape, there's still membership, etc.

    So there's going to be microtransactions in any game now. It's our fault as well for continuing to support the business practices, not all of us, but most.

    MapleStory Global has not improved for the past 12 years since the release? That's a pretty far stretch.

    Permanent NX items. We use to have to live off to the standard that everything had a time limit from the Cash Shop.

    Miracle Cubes use to be the only way to re-roll potential. That was changed by the additions of Reward Shop and Meister/Master Craftsman Cubes. Dark Scrolls, White Scrolls, GM Scrolls (10% stats with 100% success) use to only come through Gachapon. Those scrolls have been outdated since the Spell Trace system.

    What about them not adding NX-purchasable mesos sacks to the Cash Shop to Reboot? Sure they probably benefit from Pet Boxes, but there are workarounds such as free event pets plus Water of Life in Reward Shop.

    Lets be real. The Nebulite System at it's current state was a joke. Hardly anybody is going to fuse Nebulites with Fusion Tickets unless they already had [A] Nebulites from Marvel Machine, Gachaperriot or Maplehood Watch. A majority of them in Non-Reboot are duped as well which was more of a monopoly of goods sold at a price that most others couldn't compete.

    In terms of, "encouraging boycotting sales", the forums is their property. They have guidelines of what you can/cannot do and that is one of them. If you can't play by their rules, why would they play by yours?

    They don't have to follow the suggestions to the letter. They could increase the number of items in the Reward Shop. Free-to-play doesn't have to mean content locked behind NX forever. Nexon America could rotate from starting premium sales to then shifting to to be obtainable through other means. Comparing other games gets us nowhere if you're trying to say "MapleStory is this and that's all it'll ever be", that's just a half-truth to push onto others that things cannot change.

    I will say this: Global MapleStory has changed and will continue to change for the past 12 years since it started service.