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Daxi

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  • Remove the "gender" attribute from the game

    AlexF wrote: »
    Finally, I'd point you towards the definition of a political statement. It escaped me to look for the definition of what you're trying so hard (failing) to prove.

    "The term political statement is used to refer to any act or non-verbal form of communication that is intended to influence a decision to be made for or by a political party."

    The definition you got from a Wikipedia article that doesn't even have a source... Not going to lie, that actually made me laugh in the real life adventure game. :D

    Wikipedia is not an acceptable source for the "definition" of anything for me sorry, I have no faith in Wikipedia at all. Even High Schools don't accept Wikipedia as a source, lol.

    Rather I would encourage you to look up the meaning on the words individually. Though I will add that it's silly to attempt to argue over the definitions of words unless you actually don't understand what I mean by political statement, if that is the case I would be happy to try and explain it to you again.
    AlexF wrote: »
    *made up potential future patch notes that are irrelevant to any point I've made*

    The intent of this action

    Nexons intent would be irrelevant, my issue is with potential interpretation of said statement. As I've said multiple times.
    AlexF wrote: »
    would be to allow the people who supported this thread make them more money by allow them to spend on a wider assortment of products.

    You have no data to support that it would increase revenue for Nexon, I can just as easily posit that people would need to roll less boxes to obtain 'acceptable' gear, thus decreasing profits. Please note, I'm not actually suggesting that as a fact, since it would be impossible for either of us to say either way.
    AlexF wrote: »
    Unfortunately, this would not meet the definition of the word "Political Statement", as you see - it didn't show bias or influence to a political party.

    I'm very sorry that your hypothetical statement from Nexon doesn't meet the definition of a Wikipedia definition without a source. :^)

    Also "Political Statement" is two words, friend. :)
    AlexF wrote: »
    Honestly, this is going to be my final comment. I believe you've derailed this thread to have "Jolly good fun" - and are providing no sound and factual proof that what you say is true. I have provided factual, sounds facts that counter your .... viewpoint?

    Well I certainly hope it isn't your final comment, as I've said before I've found this conversation to be jolly good fun. I guess we'll see if you change your mind (I hope you do). <3

    It is worth noting that no one has provided "sound factual proof", because it's impossible to prove. We're discussing the potential outcome of a hypothetical in-between you quoting Wikipedia articles without any source in order to disprove your own hypothetical.
    AlexF wrote: »
    I have provided factual, sounds facts

    Which facts exactly? I must have missed them.
    AlexF wrote: »
    I would recommend you review the original post, and again the compromise Ak was trying to make of remove gender attribute to allow for any items, content, w.e to be used by everyone. You are the one who pointed it out as being a political statement. Nowhere does it mention remove boys, or removing girls - simply removing the tags from items, events, etc.
    AKradian wrote: »
    So, I suggest that the "gender" attribute simply be removed from the game. Make all characters, as well as all equipment, hairstyles, and faces, "gender neutral".

    Their suggestion then goes on to talk about gender locked characters and why they believe it would still be okay to remove gender, lol. I'm starting to question if you've even read the suggestion, since it absolutely talks about eliminating Gender completely. :P
    AlexF wrote: »
    and again the compromise Ak

    Covered here:
    Daxi wrote: »
    First I'd like to add that this suggestion isn't about clothes directly, it's about eliminating Gender entirely. I believe those are two different things, with one possibly being seen more negatively then the other, not that I support either potential updates. However, I'll just assume a clothing change for the remainder of this section of my reply:

    I'm curious if by "most" you acknowledge that the update has the potential to be seen as a political statement from Nexon by some and that those people would treat it as a negative.

    I'm then curious if you think think the number of people who would see it as a negative would be likely to increase or decrease if Nexon just quietly made an effort to release new items without a gender tag and only changed specific existing clothes where most desired.

    I am of the opinion that the latter option would decrease the amount who may see the update as a political statement and view it negatively.
    AlexF wrote: »
    Not only have you failed to convince the OP, me, and everyone but one person on this post by refusing/being unable to provide facts that prove your narrative; I'd say you're now just baiting everyone to reply so that you can have your "Jolly good fun".

    Lucky me (/s), two logical fallacies in 1 sentence! Personal Incredulity ("I do not understand, so it must not be true!") and a Bandwagon ("x amount more agree with me, so you must be wrong").

    Would you rather I not enjoy my time spent talking to people? What would be my motivation? I would hope everyone in this thread is having jolly good fun or else why would they post?
    AlexF wrote: »
    p.s fix your quoting, I didn't say most of the things you've quoted me saying in the last post. - and I resent that you're trying to put words in my mouth to push your agenda.

    Fixed already, honest mistake.

    What agenda are you accusing me of pushing exactly?

    DarkPassenger
  • Remove the "gender" attribute from the game

    Uzume wrote: »
    Daxi wrote: »
    I have not accused anyone of attempting to forward an agenda, please don't strawman or misrepresent my positions.

    Keep in mind people are replying to DarkPassenger too. I bring this up because you've replied to people as if they are solely talking to you, which isn't the case.

    This post of mine is not an argument, so please don't take it as one. I'm just bringing this up.

    The context for the quote began with "The people reading too deep into a change like this..", While I obviously don't agree with the idea that I am guilty of that it has certainly been suggested that I have more then (I believe) anyone else. I deduced that the comment was likely referring to me at least in part.

    When comments talk about both me and DarkPassenger I make a point of only defending my positions, for a number of reasons including (but not necessarily limited to):

    • I am only responsible for what I say
    • I do not like involving myself in other peoples conversations
    • DarkPassenger seems perfectly capable of defending themselves. :)
    • I do not want to needlessly risk misrepresenting anyone's position or motivation

    If I'm mistaken that the comment wasn't referring to me at all then I'll happily apologize for my mistake. :)
    DarkPassenger
  • EU Reboot server

    Arzachel wrote: »
    Daxi wrote: »
    I don't think the market is there for a EU Reboot and I doubt it will happen. Many of us would stay in GMS Reboot, at this point I think the majority of people interested in Reboot are already playing GMS Reboot from the EU and would have no reason to start again.

    Would like Nexon to tell people either way though. :)

    There definitely is a market for a EU Reboot server. The idea of Reboot was cool enough to pull me back into the game, but dealing with ~350+ ping just feels bad.

    You do not have the data to support that claim. I gave an opinion, you made a statement of fact.
    TimxGame
  • Remove the "gender" attribute from the game

    I am against an update like this for the same reason I supported the Donald Trump npc being removed from the game. I don't believe Nexon should be striving to make updates and add content that makes a political statement as an update like this certainly would.
    DarkPassenger