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Discussion: "Both" Tab in Rankings
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It would be nice if they could implement the KMS ranking system but that would probably take an awfully long time. Removing "both" would be the easiest solution
It'll change the ranking dynamic that most people follow. Comparing Reboot and reg servers is meaningless because it's incredibly obvious which one has the advantage in rates. Why would anyone in reg servers want to be compared to people who could match their exp gain while putting in half the time, all other things held constant? It doesn't make any sense and it's demotivating for that to be considered the "gold standard" (or default) ranking method.
This is by no means an incredibly small issue. Having "Both" as the default ranking option means that that vast majority of the player-base will consider that to be the "main" rankings. And when you put Reboot and reg servers together on the "main" rankings, it makes reg servers look vastly inferior because it isn't possible for them to achieve the same rate of progress.
Also, the team that works on bug fixes for in game content isnt the same team that updates the UI / graphic design of the Maple webpage. They're two different teams. Fixing this problem doesn't stop them from fixing other problems in game, it isn't mutually exclusive.
Still not the point. Why is this issue being treated so urgently, but other on-going issues which are much larger do not have official threads yet?
I'm pretty sure the majority of players care more about other issues. Not about which player in the <1% minority will hit 275 first.
Edit: We can have this thread, sure. But why is this the issue that gets an official thread first?
Is this really more urgent than Kanna's Kishin/Rework? Is this really more important than false bans?
Nexon can address this issue if they want. But they need to give us official threads for the other issues which already have countless threads.
Precisely because those issues already have countless threads, they don't need an "official" opinion-gathering thread.
Nexon is aware of community opinions and suggestions about those topics (and other frequently-raised issues), and SavageAce has even commented on them in his memos.
On the other hand, this ranking issue is new, and there was little said about it (other than old threads asking for the separation, which seemed satisfied by our getting the "Reboot" and "Non-Reboot" options), so the CM wanted to gather some more feedback quickly.
Who said those other issues aren't being treated urgently? We've had 3 Maple Memo's about false bans in the last month, and they've restored the majority of the people affected (that I personally know of). We've had 2 regarding the Kishin rework, which is something that we likely won't even get to have input on seeing as every other version of Maplestory that has Kanna's has already gotten the JMS version of Kishin. We've had 0 memos regarding the rankings, the only thing they've had regarding the rankings is this thread.
I still dont understand why you think them taking our feedback on how to improve the rankings layout means that they have put all other work off to the side until they come to a conclusion. They're obviously still fixing things in game, they're obviously working on other upcoming changes. A company like Nexon has more than just 1 team, they focus on several aspects of development at once, and them taking feedback from the players regarding 1 issue doesn't mean they've abandoned work on everything else.
such big issue
is that hard to make one extra click to reboot ? or non-reboot tab?
you can click down and bookmark so you wont ever see both
GMS non-reboot
GMS reboot
EMS reboot
EMS non-reboot
it's not true
most of importan one get censored (forced to be made on other sites such as reddit)
or complently ignore us and make their own decisions of what they think of us
unless critical issue
for example false bans and glorious autoban system
they will ignore all opinions,remove/lock thread send you to ticket system and throw you in hackers bucket
untill amount of false bans increase and then be like sorry......
it's not first time with this last memo
if they actuly heard us they would know it's autoban system fault
and we want something else like GM's instead of only bugy autoban system that only hackers can avoid
anyway at end of the day as nexon/stuff wants
take care !
The servers are so different from each other fundamentally that comparing both of them accomplishes nothing but breed more unnecessary toxic behavior between the players that play reboot and the players that play in regular servers.
Furthermore a lot of regular server players are discouraged from trying to race to the 275 cap because they get compared to players who can make more than double their rates just because they play in a different server so removing the "both" tab would also encourage more players to explore the new content and race with each other in a fair enviorment.
I do not think that they're putting off all work. It's the fact that Nexon seems to care more about this issue (outside looking in) than other ongoing issues.
Almost as if Nexon is saying "Hey, look at this instead of the burning trash heap over there." That said,
I believe this post sums up some reasoning nicely. But threads created by users are not the same as one created by a CM.
It just feels like this issue is being over-represented, where other issues are under-represented.
The memos are nice, but they're one sided. If a user wants to respond to them, they have to create their own thread, which risks getting locked out.
Just make more official threads debating issues like this in the future and I'll be a happy camper.
In other words, the Maplers need to find their own way to beat up the Black Mage!
Also, if I were to look up my own rank, I'd like to see where I am in my server, and then how that compares to the other server. Surely it would motivate you more to try and catch up someone who's ahead of you, even if they play reboot and you're on a regular server...?
I know for sure, that as and when I grind, I'd look to race a few reboot players around the same rank. And then see whether I can sustain a grinding habbit to progress up the ranks.
So yeah, I'm in favour of there being a joint ranking leaderboard, just as there is now. There's nothing wrong with how it works at the minute, and people are just whining because they're salty that reboot server players can gain exp faster than regular server players. If you're really that concerned about your non-reboot rank then click the non-reboot button.
It's just a larger topic now because of the 275 race and the obvious gap between the servers now that regular server can't use CS 2x past 250.
You said it yourself; Reboot server players can gain exp faster than regular server players, and that is why the rankings need to be split to ensure a fair race and accurate ranks. No salt, just facts.
Mod Note: Keep on topic.
people wont grind ($$$$ frenzy/fs/mvp/ring of torment......) just to get to blackmage that also need's crazy fund ($$$$)
just to get to "end game"
250/200 race who was fastest/speedrun when $$ involved ?
not about ranking even if you choose not to ignore both tab
let's say they remove both tab how that will make you more motivated ? [maybe remove reboot ? (joke lol)]
you can block the link eachtime you get send to there ranking for a week
and use only
GMS non-reboot
GMS reboot
EMS reboot
EMS non-reboot
i bet it will be same feel and motivation
but am fine if that's big issue remove it
for me it's just pointless discussion that wont bring some improve
Exactly, Although the gameplay of reboot and regular servers are very different (one is f2p but need time to progress, the other is more p2w meaning literally paying to win the game) besides those elements and others its still the same gameplay. So I'm routing for it to stay or else have a ranking system like KMS.