PhantomMasterThief

I'm all for having more options in terms of equipment upgrades, As long as they are not P2W if there is a P2W and a F2P version then that's fine ( but they should be equal, so people who choose to P2W won't get +100 times better or stronger , so let's call it [Pay For Convenience].

as long as the P2W and F2P options are the same then i'm fine with nexon wanting to make extra $, but not at the expense of the F2P players.

Also if they want to improve nebulites , then they need to make it more accessible to F2P , remove the need for a diffuser , remove the junk D Ranks ( remove d rank nebulites ) , inculde them in events / Events Shop ( talking about Random B / A / S Rank Nebulites ) , revamp the fusion system ( make them more comparable to : Eternal Rebirth Flames ) , and not just release a higher rank nebulite.
make them a truly great and F2P ( with P2W options ) system, that is both fair and rewarding to use , and that gives nice amount of stats / boss / etc boosts.

and not remove them in exchange for flames , but also introduce Rebirth Flames , Make so that both of those systems would compliment each other.
( Preferably Keeping Rebirth Flames , just like from KMS ( Minus the scissors count , ie : not nerfing them like MSEA did.) and making them available from crafting, and events / event shops )

the nebulite system does needs a total overhaul though.

Arwoo wrote: »

idk

What does that mean ?



Also to : @ManiOh

Rebirth Flames, are not just free damage but they also serve a market purpose.

here's a a quote that i like, and explains flames / bonus stats in a nutshell :

"We will more than likely not get the additional options system. Nexon doesn't like giving out free damage through in game means, and despite these creating a new market that's profitable and usable by everybody, the players are convinced that these are bad "power creep" and make things more "complicated" despite it being about as simple a system as scrolling or cubing."

*Well you can change "The Players" to : Some of the players, because by now, i'm pretty sure most of the global maplestory community knows and wants Rebirth Flames / Bonus Stats.

PS. i hope that everyone understands that Rebirth Flames / Bonus Stats are Completely F2P there is No NX involved , None , 0!
Unlike Nebulites that are Competely P2W / NX is definitely involved ( NX for a neb diffuser / fusion ticket )

A lot of people had misconceptions about the Additional Options / Bonus Stats System , AKA : Rebirth Flames , so here i want to clear those misconceptions.

Additional Options is the name of the system in KMS , because they use Options instead of Stats ( for naming of course , options and stats are essentially the same thing in KMS and GMS ) , AO , is basically Bonus Stats to equipment , Rebirth Flames are the item ( a scroll if you will ) that is used to either grant / or reroll the bonus stats of equipment , you can reroll the stats without the use of : NX / Cash / US Dollars , and you may reroll as many times as your heart desires as long as you have rebirth flames , the higher the level of the equipment that a flame is used on , the better bonus stats it can have , ie; a level 160 equip could have +80 flat stat, while a level 200 equip could have +180 flat stat , it could also have multiple bonus stats lines, like +180 flat main stat, +180 secondary flat stat , and 7% All Stats. ( The level of the equip determines the quality of bonus stats that the equip could get , the higher the better )

also equips can't have the 2 of the same line of bonus stats , ie; an equip can't have : +180 luk and another +180 luk , but it can have : +180 luk , +180 dex , and 7% All Stats.

As you can see this system is already way more powerful then even S-Grade Nebulites ( that are not released but only in the data of the game ) the only minor drawback to Bonus Stats / Rebirth Flames , is the fact that after using a flame on an item , the item will get a 10 Scissors Count Limit ( it means after using the : Platinum Scissors of Karma on the item 10 times it would be permanently untradable , but there is a way to reset the scissors count.

Did you ever wonder why there were "Perfect" Innocence scrolls in GMS ?, and why it had the same effect on items as a "Regular" Innocence Scroll ? , yeah the "perfect" part is not just different naming , it means that if you were to use a "perfect" innocence scroll on a item with bonus stats , the "bonus stats" and "scissors count" will be reset , that's right you will make the item tradable again , and have the scissors count removed , ( Note : that pure clean slate scrolls do not remove scissors count or bonus stats , they are just called pure for naming sakes , unlike "perfect" innocence scrolls ) but the Rebirth Flame / Bonus Stats would also be removed , you can however use another flame on the item if you desire so , ( of course if we were to get the EMS version of Rebirth Flames / Bonus Stats , we would not even have to worry about scissors counts , because EMS did not have a Scissors Count added to items that were flamed / had bonus stats applied to them to begin with.

Now you may ask what benefit will we get once Rebirth Flames / Bonus Stats were to be implemented in GMS ? ( They are already in our data just like S-Grade Nebulites , so nexon just needs to flip a switch and were done )

1. We would get free damage through in game means , as every equip that would drop from a mob / boss , or that can be bought from a store / crafted / be made from a badge like Empress Cygnus / Chaos Root Abyss ( yes even : Tyrant , AbsoLab , Sweetwater , and Arcane Umbra Gear ) would have Random bonus stats upon receiving / picking up / buying / etc / them.

This would Tremendously help Beginners / F2P / New players to the game / and would pretty much be a great addition to the game for everyone , Beginners - End game lucid runners.

2. A new market would be created by bonus stats , equipment such as the level 120 necromancer set that is dropped by hilla , could be sold in the auction house for either a profit / gearing up mules / or as great gear for beginners | new players , because as you know after flames were to be implemented in gms , no equip would be the same , all the equipment would truly be "Unique / One-of-a-kind" and thus create a market for everyone : essentially all the equipment in GMS would have value ( which currently has no value because the lack of bonus stats or a higher star force count ( but we will talk about star force later ) ( look at the equipment market in ThaiMS / KMS , players there buy low level gear because it could have great bonus stats and help with leveling and also help with damage ( as it's really important in the higher levels ) Everyone benefits from rebirth flames / bonus stats.

Now for those of you who think that Flames would create a new "Power Creep" , you may relax because it won't , on the contrary it would shorten the "Power Creep" or "Power Gap" , by giving essentially free damage to all players and a lot more people would be able to tackle higher level content easier then we currently are able to , without spending tremendous amounts of NX on gearing up / etc, it would especially help lower level players / new players to grind and get through the game more smoothly and easier , and overall create a better game environment and a healthier market.

Now for the actual system and how to use it :
Oh, and flames are a Use item and considered a scroll so they can be put in a scroll bag. there are a total of : 8 Rebirth Flames in game including powerful / eternal.

Basically it's just like a scroll , you double click on a rebirth flame and drop it on the equipment , then if you are not satisfied with the bonus stat that you got from it , to reroll : simply , again : double click on a rebirth flame -> drop it on the equipment -> rinse and repeat until you are satisfied , that's right you don't need any NX / Cash item to reroll the bonus stats of an equipment , it's truly a F2P System made by KMS , and has proven to be very effective.

as for the actual flames you may obtain them as follows : Level 100 - 150 ( Dropped by bosses in all difficulties ) Flames go by every 10 levels ie; Level 100 - 110 / etc. the flames that you would want to focus on are the : Powerful rebirth flames and Eternal rebirth flames , the lower level flames are used to grant bonus stats to equips without any bonus stats and to reroll the bonus stats.

The flames dropped by bosses , levels : 100 - 150 , can be used on any equipment that can gain bonus stats ( ie ; you can't flame a ring or a shoulder etc ) that has a grey dot and is up to the corresponding flame level , ie ; you may use a level 150 rebirth flame on items with a grey dot from level 0 - 150 and may re-roll with that flame as many times as you would like, how ever if the item is level 160+ and has a grey dot , only powerful / eternal flames may be used.

the powerful / eternal flames may be used on all items by all levels from : 0 - 250 with a white dot.

Powerful / Eternal Rebirth Flames cannot be used on items with a grey dot.

White Dot :

Grey Dot :

Grey dot = only Rebirth Flames ( Levels 0 - 150 ) can be used. ( Can be used on equipment up to level 150 )
( level flames are dropped by bosses )

White dot = only Powerful / Eternal Rebirth Flames can be used. ( Can be used on equipment up to level 250 )
You may get them from event / crafting / etc.

Example : You may only use :A Powerful / Eternal rebirth flames on a Level 160 equip with a white dot.
You may only use : A Level 150 Rebirth Flame dropped by bosses on a Level 150 equip with a grey dot.
( You may use a level 150 Flame on a level 80 item with a grey dot , but you can't use a level 120 flame on a level 140 equip with a grey dot )

ie ; Level 150 flames means : Up to level 150 equips with a grey dot and so on.
Powerful / eternal flames means : up to level 250 ( or more if we ever get a level cap increase ) with a white dot.

Powerful / Eternal has no level restrictions , while level 100 - 150 flames do.


you may also extract the lower level flames by using a scroll extractor (similar to an equip extractor that you gain item crystals from ) , as for the materials for the flames they are like : Master Craftsman's / Meister Cubes , you may obtain them from Mysterious / Legendary Herbs , mobs , sudden missions , hopefully commerci voyages , etc.

you can obtain powerful / eternal flames by either : crafting , events and event shops , monster collection , purchasing from other players ( if the flames we would get would be freely tradable like in kms ) , sudden mission , legion , dojo , ursus , etc.

PS. You craft rebirth flames by being a : Master Craftsman's / Meister Accessory Crafter. ( for Powerful / Eternal , respectively )

Now for 25 Star Force Enhancements : past the 15th star the equip will gain more stats and attack / magic attack ( even if it's an armor or accessory , all equips past 15th stars get att/m.att bonuses and more stats per star )
so you can understand why AbsoLab / Arcane Umbra is better then tyrants in KMS , because it has a set effect and it has equal if not better stats to tyrants at 16th+ stars and the addition of bonus stats from flames also plays a big role.

on top of that : 25 Star Force is a great Meso-Sink , because you can only safeguard from 12th -> 17th Stars , from 17 -> 22 there's no safeguarding , and the boom % plus the fail chance makes it hard to enhance , not impossible but your more likely then not to boom from 20 -> 21 or even from 17 -> 18 ( it all depends on luck , because it's rng | Random Number Generator )

so you can tell that a lot of equips would boom , and players would need to replace them to try and star force again , and slowly we would have less mesos circulating in our economy , thus stabilizing it a bit more then it currently is , and because of a higher star force cap plus rebirth flames , we would have far more options in terms of gearing and not having being stuck into using tyrants + cra (Cra top and bottom would always be the BiS | Best In Slot , until a higher level top and bottom combo would be released by kms )

My point is that by having GMS release / implement : Rebirth Flames and 25 Star Force Enhancements , not 20 because 20+ Stars AbsoLab / Sweetwater / Arcane Umbra would replace tyrants , all the players would have more options in terms of gearing , meister accessory crafting will become useful , the market would be healthier , we would have a great meso-sink and overall the game would be way less P2W then it currently is.

this benefits both non-reboot and reboot servers.

This are the Rebirth Flames that are currently in the GMS Database : ( i found this in Pet loot Ignore )


We even got all of the materials that are needed to craft the rebirth flames in the GMS database ( also from pet loot ignore )

( Used to make Powerful Rebirth Flames )


( Used to make Eternal Rebirth Flames )




( I don't know what the Rebirth Crystal is used for , it comes by extracting lower level flames , but it's not needed to craft either : Powerful / Eternal Rebrith Flames.

And here are also the materials required to make rebirth flames, you may know them, because they are Obtainable in-game, but are currently utterly useless







And here is a picture of it in Accessory crafting ( from the time it was accidentally released , pics are from reddit )

I know it's not THAT OF AN IMPORTANT CHANGE, but i hope this would at least make it into the to-do list of the GMS Devs
(Even if not immediately)

This Thread should NOT Die!
It's too much important.