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Fuhreak wrote: »

While rankings is being made such a big deal about, I'd like to suggest that the guild rankings are added to the website.
Those are actually in the game itself, why aren't they displayed on the website, too?

Another reason to implement KMS rankings. They have a page for guild ranks.

Fuhreak wrote: »

I have literally never seen this issue brought up while playing since reboot was released. It's a niche issue. Or at least one that has long gone on ignored by players and nexon alike.

I don't know what kind of conversations you hold in-game, but there is definitely records elsewhere of this being an issue in the past and present.
There was a larger thread on the topic on the old forums where the CM at the time said they'd bring it up for discussion with the team, it should still be accessible for Nexon at least. And one thread in November 2016 asking for an update.
Myself and many others have also made inquiries on the topic of rankings in several official live streams and only because of that we got the additional filters "Reboot" and "Non-Reboot" just 8 months ago. Although it was a step in the right direction at the time, the 275 race now makes it apparent that this is still not a satisfactory solution.
It is not a niche issue. But I'll agree that it has been overlooked far longer than it should. The rankings should have been split with the release of Reboot, but here we are.

Riisy wrote: »

This game isn't all about who's X rank on the leaderboards.

It may not be for you, but it is for the people who are actively racing to get to their goal rank, whatever that may be. Top 5, top 10, top 50, top 300.

So in all fairness, why does it matter if there is a joint leaderboard?

In all "fairness", it's not really fair at all. That's why it matters.

Also, if I were to look up my own rank, I'd like to see where I am in my server, and then how that compares to the other server. Surely it would motivate you more to try and catch up someone who's ahead of you, even if they play reboot and you're on a regular server...?
I know for sure, that as and when I grind, I'd look to race a few reboot players around the same rank. And then see whether I can sustain a grinding habbit to progress up the ranks.

You find it motivating to know that no matter how hard you grind, if somebody on a different server grinds even half the amount you do, you still would never be able to pass them? You find it motivating to know that despite starting out at the same time, and spending the same hours grinding, they still get ahead of you by several levels?

There's nothing wrong with how it works at the minute, and people are just whining because they're salty that reboot server players can gain exp faster than regular server players. If you're really that concerned about your non-reboot rank then click the non-reboot button.

This split would be to Reboot's "benefit" as well, not just regular servers. Pretty sure a lot of Reboot players dislike how regular server players can cut corners with gear on their mules and do insanely fast 1-200 times. Those ranks may not matter at the end of the day, but ranks are ranks and if they're not gained on equal terms then they should not be on the same ranking page at all.
It's just a larger topic now because of the 275 race and the obvious gap between the servers now that regular server can't use CS 2x past 250.

You said it yourself; Reboot server players can gain exp faster than regular server players, and that is why the rankings need to be split to ensure a fair race and accurate ranks. No salt, just facts.

My thread on this was removed yesterday due to some issue with the comment(s) to it, so I'll use large parts of that to reply to this instead which is why it may come off "preachy" like an OP post would. I also made some clarifications that stemmed from the previous thread.

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With the level cap increase the race is now on. However, the race is on between Reboot and regular servers because the rankings allow it to be. The default view for our rankings is the "Both" tab, and when searching individual players, the number next to them is also their spot in the "Both" ranking, and not from whichever server-type they play.

"Both" should not be the default option, it should not be an option at all.
Reboot and regular servers have vastly different opportunities, and progress differently. Reboot has a native higher EXP rate than regular servers, and regular servers cannot use 2x coupons past 250 for the race. We can argue all day about which is really faster, about higher mob HP and frenzy availability, about funding routes, about hackers bypassing all this, but in the end the sole fact that they're different should be enough reason.
There should not be a "Reboot vs regular server" race, because they are not racing together under the same circumstances. The servers are different, and should not be racing against each other on the same ranking page.

The idea that they should be competing against each other is supported by the fact that the "Both" ranking is available. And so far I have only seen screenshots from the "Both" rankings used to display the progress of the race. This is what people are going by, and it's an incorrect depiction of reality.
While separating the rankings wouldn't stop the argument entirely, it would make a clear case that they are different and should be compared as such, and not on the same board. I think it would help decrease the toxicity that's been seen between the two playerbases.
It's not about which server is faster. It's about which player is faster within which realm of possibility. That is what the rankings are.

I propose we have the KMS ranking system implemented instead.

As you can see it entirely separates Reboot and regular servers into two different brackets of their own, while including more information such as job advancement (you could search for top perma-assassins for example), fame and guild in the same entry for characters.
And if you click other worlds it repeats your job specification if you made any.
I really encourage you to go there (right click translate page) and play around with it. It's much more user friendly, streamlined and informative.

If there are concerns about which server to make default, you could always make the main page only display these options and load the rankings after you've picked Reboot or regular.
If I'm really nitpicking I also don't think regular servers should be labelled as "non-reboot". It's like listing "coffee" as "non-latte" on a menu. I understand that the community often refers to it as non-reboot so I can concede this point, but in my opinion the regular server option shouldn't just be "not the other thing".

They do have a Hall of Fame page where every new 275 gets their spotlight since it's reverse chronological order sorted by the date they got to 275. (non-275 ones are assumed to be by the date they got to 250)
If you really care about seeing Reboot vs regular you could scroll back through that, but again it's not the default.

It may be tricky to implement, seeing as we have Europe rankings to consider as well. But I believe it's important, and I believe it is worth it.

Wasn't the choice between "The will to sacrifice" and "The desire to defeat Black Mage", or something along those lines. Pretty sure it was designed for you to learn something new regardless. Plus you are fighting on behalf of the Maple World's will to survive, not your own hero complex.
Strive to live on for the people who depend on you, you're of more use alive than dead, etc.

And to repeat words from a recent controversy; MLK did not give his life, he was assassinated.