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  • SOLUTIONS to reduce hackers

    CatoooloooCatooolooo
    Roni777 wrote: »
    @Catalooo.
    On your expertise (which i don't really know how expert you are), are there really no way to lock documents into secret? I want to know before i hear your expertise opinions regarding autoscript and stuff, i need to know whether you have experience on the areas you are talking about? like how long have you been working on making games, application or anything related to it? Or if you have working in some anti-hacking company or stuff. Or is it so easy for everyone to become master and expert in anti-hacking with just few years of experience? I am honest since early i said that i don't have any expertise at all, zero expertise regarding this. This is my opinion, probably to become a hacker doesn't need expertise, but to be someone who can prevent hacker, i believe must be someone who really knows how things work.

    Otherwise, if there is truly no ways to prevent others to take a peek into our documents, from years ago, all bank and finance company would have been going busted and bankrupt because all of their customers data would have been stolen by hackers. So my logics tells me there must be must some ways. That is why I am asking about your expertise. Or do you think that all of the bank’s customer data is no longer safe because there is no way to keep it safe from hacker? The fact is even though I know, especially bank, is struggling to keep their millions of customer’s data safe, but somehow they managed to do it. This is what I call Hard Cold Fact. Most what you said as hard cold fact sounds like a fact but it is actually because you “think” there is no way to prevent it. So tell me, how are those big companies keep their data safe? But my logic and from what I seen, I can see some company survive to protect their data and information safe eventhough it is requires expert to do this. Even Youtube will lost all of their important client data if there is no way to prevent hacker from stealing their data. I am no expert in this field, but my logic says, this is what I call hard cold fact. Not just a hard cold fact from your own point of view.

    My questions,
    1. so is there no way for any MMORPG out there to prevent their quests being hacked
    2. So there is not even a single way in this whole world to prevent our documents to be safe from any hacker? there is no way to encrypt or save our data to get stolen by others?

    "The devs will do with this suggestion that they do with most, look at it, laugh at it, and move on with progressing the game with mostly KMS content."

    You might be expertise at programming and stuff, but you are zero in expressing your opinion or ideas. Making opinion and discussion by putting out pressure to others using some words like *laughable, terrible ideas, and stuff" proves that your ability to communicate with others or how to lead of a disccussion into a great ideas with others is zero. What i am trying to do is not to use words that de-moralise others to actually giving ideas. That is why I bring the discussion into Fact, not just opinion. Suggestion is welcome. I believe if you have expertise in programming field, it means you have made a lot of dollars. I suggest you save some of our pocket money to get some classes to help you learn to do better at doing discussion so probably you can get better score than zero.

    But other than that, i appreciate the other discussions that you have made. So far only you have actually talk something that i think have a bit in depth and have vibe of expertise. Several others are just saying something that doesn't even touch the skin. So all i can feel the others are just pretending to be expert at programming. I think you have working on programming maybe around at least 5 years or more? Or are you just some student who is still learning about programming? At least I know whether I am talking to someone who is expert in programming or just some green student who think that they are the best expert in this field.
    dude, you can not compare hacking an MMO to Hacking into a bank.
    the fact that you make that comparison merely shows how much understanding you lack.

    banks do not make you download a client on to your computer or phone which contains 90% of relevant data that the bank has, to work.
    Banks also have huge investments into cyber security and highly advanced crypto algorithms for protecting the data on all their systems, which is in no way comparable to how Maple (or most online games) can or do combat hacking. the closest thing any company has gotten as far as gaming is concerned is with that one really complex anti-piracy that slows your computer down with games that use it.

    As far as my qualifications, programming is a hobby of mine, been doing it for about 8 years, mostly cause I like to know how things work which is why I have not pursued a career in it, but I have to say, all that I said in my previous post is very basic information that anyone with basic understanding of programing and a basic understanding of how client based games operate, would know.

    as for your 2 questions,
    1. no, there is no MMO out there that can prevent you from reading the data but somehow (through magic) the client reads the data. there has to be a way to relay the data to the client, either through files directly relate to the client or through packets of data from the server to the client and if it's going from server to client then you can see the packet using a packet sniffer and on top of that the client needs to know to expect (have a protocol) this data or else the client either ignores the data or a crash is caused, and the hackers are exploiting the client. I mean they could possibly encrypt data in the packets better but since the hackers are just exploiting the client (which contains 90% of the data) they would easily be able to decrypt the packets.

    As previously stated, botters do not even need to hook the data from the client, simply having a screen reader would be enough, but they would probably build it into the hacking program due to how the gold farms actually run multiple instances of maple from 1 computer.

    2. there are ways to prevent our documents from getting retrieved from hackers, but your files are not available directly from a games client files. if the hackers were able to access every bit of data related to the game from the tools they are using and the methods they are using, everyone account would be hacked and all security would be compromised on nexons servers (which is where this data is kept), that's not the case, and hackers wouldn't be able to access this data with the same methods they use to exploit the client, unless nexon has a data leak somewhere (like the MTS incident)

    But just to inform you of how there is no invulnerable system against hacking that can just be thrown into place, I'd also like you to know that even the government gets hacked from time to time, sometimes even with ransom-ware. to prevent hacking vulnerabilities in something like this requires lots of investment in just cyber security and constant updates of the hacking prevention system, much more than any game would be worth.

    Now I could talk about how lousy and terribly thought up this idea is, and your lack of understanding or wanting to even take in the information because "lul u r not a gam dev" till the cows come home, but if that's honestly the only reason you are trying to deflect the facts that have been laid out, you should also need to be a game dev before you post an idea, at least get some yeas in of computer science, some coding languages, and develop an app or two before you post another Idea if you want to fight about the critique of it's plausibility and effectiveness.
    Its2Sharp4U

  • SOLUTIONS to reduce hackers

    CatoooloooCatooolooo
    Roni777 wrote: »
    Well, either it is replacement or alternative, it comes back to developers. Let them see all the facts that has been happening so far in Maplestory and decide. Most of the things i said above, most of them with the facts that can support my suggestion. I appreciate more the elaboration and addition of the ideas, to give more suggestion to maple. Instead of just saying "no" without giving a fact or opinion with the fact that can support it.

    @Darkpassenger. Yeah, I agree with the marketing strategy. Tho as addition, it is not the only way, the fun inside the game will keep players playing and even spread the news. Marketing is also another way to attract newly fresh players as customer.

    dude, no facts support your ideas to any degree.

    no one has said "no" without giving a fact that shatters your list of "solutions"

    you want some cold hard facts

    1. Automated scripts exist, hackers can and do use these scripts, they use them all the time and used to use them more in the past, and have and still use them for map jumping, turning in quests and to avoiding ban by GM.
    2. "if they can detect the quests, then hide them" they literally can not do that, that is not how the game functions, all quest data resides in that 1 file called Quest.wz, and that wz file is the only way your client can recognize/ read/see Quest data, if it's not there then your client will not know it's there and therefore no one can see it. even if they "hid" the data of the quest server side, the Quest.wiz still needs a "tag" ID to identify that the rest of the data is stored server side so the client would recognize it, and that could still be exploited and identified through packet reading and manipulation.
    3. the suggestions you propose do not stop, hurt or demoralize hackers, but will hurt and demoralize legitimate players of the game, the most that your plausible ideas would do to hackers is make them come up with a different automation script and by the next day they would be in full force.

    all these ideas are terrible for a game that is meant to be a traditional MMO, for trying to get rid of a problem that goes beyond what you can conceive.

    The devs will do with this suggestion that they do with most, look at it, laugh at it, and move on with progressing the game with mostly KMS content.

    the best way to kill the hackers is by
    1. figuring out how (or what in the code) allows them to identify when a GM is online (I suspect it's a GM command of somekind getting exploited)
    2. if you can't patch the code, find a way to exploit it so their program sees a GM online all the time.
    3. if you can't exploit it, use the info to your advantage and have a GM account on all servers, all the time, they do not need to be actively doing anything at first but it will lock out the bots for a while before they retire the GM detection program, this shouldn't be too hard if there really is "24/7 GM patrolling" anyway

    hurt them with their own protection tool is a good way to lock them out or force them to no longer rely on it.
    RollsPetalmagicSlicedTime

  • Increased Inventory Slots & Event Chairs.

    CatoooloooCatooolooo
    i think the set-up tab should actually be broken apart into 3 tabs, the Chair tab, the Titles tab and the Event tab.

    Chair and title tabs are self explanatory, but the event tab will handle items that would go into the set up tab from event quests (or normal quests) like the current eluna event items.

    while this wouldn't completely fix the issue of running low on capacity for the asinine reason for having untradable, non-movable through account chairs, and un-storable titles, it would greatly reduce the issue.
    JettLuvsURollsArgentCigraeDividedFlow

  • SOLUTIONS to reduce hackers

    CatoooloooCatooolooo
    I seriously dont think you (Roni777) understand or even have a concept of how the game works or how the hack tools that are used to hack the game work to any degree.
    Its2Sharp4URolls

  • SOLUTIONS to reduce hackers

    CatoooloooCatooolooo
    removing meso from monsters is a terrible idea, so is putting a cap on the amount of meso used/ traded/ gained.
    reducing the exp gained is also terrible.

    all of OP's ideas are terrible cause in the end the only ones that have to deal with the problem /inconvenience of the "Solution" is legit players.

    hackers already have ways that make all those things not have much effect on them (Vac hack and automated scripts)

    you do not punish the hackers with any of these "solutions", all it does is punish the legit players and merly causes hackers to write up a slightly different automation sequence, while also ensuring more people either quit or go the way of the black market, That is not what I call a solution.

    also if you seriously don't think hackers/botters will have the ability to automate or auto open these chests, then you really do not understand the hacking hydra we are up against or what they have at their disposal.
    PirateIzzy