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NIcely said man and as the voice of the people and the voice of the voiceless i strongly agree that justice will come to pass. Now I am in this good fight for the right reasons there are many people who guilds and friendships who got destroyed from that event and im in it for those people and the people who are still here. This is our community and our game and we have to protect.
DarkPassenger wrote: »Again, to make such a drastic change, there must be compelling evidence that such change will affect the game, for the better in terms of the long haul.
You can repeat slogans and "majority" all you want, but large scale changes must be proven to work for the future of the game, not just because 20 people want it.
To put into perspective with this "majority" collective thinking, during the Salem Witch Trials, it was collectively thought that it would be ok to burn women out of fear that they were witches. That was what the majority wanted.
So, prove to Nexon that these changes "will be for the better" with precise detail, as if youre pitching a business plan, projections for the coming years etc, and if your evidence is convincing, it may get attention you want it to get.
and there is no such thing as social justice, justice is justice, it needs no modifier.
weather or not the majority specifially want to all play in Bera, or 3 worlds, or 4 or whatever is hard to know. But i'm sure most people agree not every world other then Bera should be dead. I agree with you, that the premise that stats what the majority claims is true, is faulty reasoning. But in this specific case, the argument here is if players want to be in close proximity to each other in order to find an active guild or have to be able to find more items in the AH, or even to just socialize then they should be able to join other players and do so because it makes the game more fun. namely through a merge, I don't think that this reasoning is fallacious.
If they have a world transfer event, depending on when it is, many people will miss it and further decrease the populations of an already dead world with no way out if you are absent from the game during the event and come back later. Even if you want to play in a dead world, how dead do you want it to be? Im sure from time to time people in dead worlds, want there to be enough people to reliably sell or buy items, or even if funded there are end game bosses that may need more than one person to battle. I think a transfer alone would exacerbate the current situation.It is valid to say that worlds and alliances now aren't in a good place population-wise, and it's also valid to have concerns about it and want to merge/have transfers. But I can't believe some people in this thread when the only reasons they bring up require me to have to believe their ideas. Earlier in the thread, I asked about this majority like 5 times before I got any sort of acknowledgement about it, and even then the responses required me to believe that they actually spoke to X number of people on X number of platforms. There are some people that have thrown around how much they've spent on this game; I have no reason to believe them, nor do I agree with their implication that they deserve to have more of a voice since they apparently paid more than others. And why should I believe them when they say that merging everything is the only solution, even when other solutions have been brought up and ignored by them? Not to mention the sarcasm and other ridiculous tactics that they've employed (ie: personal bias, "your opinion is disqualified," and insults) throughout the entire thread. I want to believe that their idea would be a viable solution, but they've shown me little to think so.
I just explained how it doesn't fix anything since the question in your poll has already been resolved. Everyone, including most importantly Nexon, agrees that something needs to be done. Let's assume for the sake of discussion that your poll has 100 Yes votes and not a single No. Now what?
It is my job as a forum moderator to clean it up by merging threads about the same topic. Arwoo has not informed me of you being given permission to post a poll (and somehow I doubt you showed him the exact wording to get such permission), and Cuddles has no authority here.
You may all express your opinions in a peaceful manner in this thread.
I think your not getting the point. I posted 2 threads one in each ms1 and ms2 now my polls and plan for it I send arwoo the link and thread was for me to do this another way from what they are doing here. Similar to a petition format people fill up the forms and we show the numbers again your opinion made you judge the situation before you even knew it. I bet and I can put money on it if my name wasn't on it thread would not be touched. And remember I got permission and even sent the link so I mean it's another case of a person's opinion making them judge a situation before you knew it. I so for permission before hand cause I had a feeling it would of been taking down or destroyed in some type of way again not cool and yea shows alot. This is what we call freedom in the community. And I posted a similar thread in ms2 forum which i got permission for only slaty help move it in the right place and "Not destroyed it". But yea man no point of posting threads no more while I know you will be around to destroy so much for a happy community. And how are we supposed to speak peacefully if your going to remove it >.< man you don't see how backwards this is tho.Did you send all of the mods a message about posting that poll with evidence that you got the ok from Arwoo? If not, then you're in no position to blame anyone but yourself for getting the thread merged. Don't bring up having no freedom when you didn't jump through all of the correct hoops in order to get permission to have your poll up and not have it merged. This was a bad poll anyways; correct me if I'm wrong, but that poll basically had the options "yes to merges" and "no to merges". The poll itself is an eye-catcher; if someone clicked on that post, that would likely be something that they see first. If they didn't bother reading the post, they're forced into a decision that they may not agree with. Not to mention that you have stated multiple times that you've spoken to different communities about the issue. What is there to prevent me from believing that you spoke to people beforehand to get them to come on the forums and vote for merges? This is exactly what I talked about in the paragraph above, where people choose to use arguments that require me to believe them and their data...when there's absolutely no reason for me to do so.
darkpassenger you still dont see the point. This goes beyond this one thread this stems from issues I said before since before I was in ms1 and even now out. Majority of the threads I posted disappeared or been destroyed. Some were suggestions or game ideas to send to nexon as we in the community have the right to poll and place ideas. Most of what I talk about not alot of people talk about. Who talks about guild events in here? no one. Who talks about ms1 pvp ideas? no one. Who talks about a new type of star planet or in game mini games? no one. I have the right as well as you and akadrian to post ideas and things in a peaceful manner. Like I said if my name wasn't on it wouldn't be touch. Note I got permission to do so and what does me emailing every mod have to do with the community manager? The community manager sets the rules and runs the show. Doesn't mean the mods have no say and can't do their work as they should. I encourage them to do their work and keep the peace, but it doesn't change the fact that the thread I posted had a different purpose and arwoo told me they are super aware of the issue that is fact but he said I do have the right to post the topic and what I want. Also saying cuddles had no power here thats true. But when I said I ask cuddles for permission as well it was to post in ms2 discord which in fact slaty saw it in general but there was a difference slaty didn't put his 2 sense into it and destroy the thread only moved it and spoke to me about directly even dm me to let me now what was wrong about. He didn't do so or do anything without letting me know before hand. This happen in ms2 discord and a minor mistake but it was fix and everyone was happy and good by the end of it. But over all if he had a issue with the thread contact me. shoot I left my info on their if the thread didn't make sense ask me my purpose like slaty did. This is the number one issue of a community or anything in life is lack of communication. I done right by nexon and the mods and contacted them their "cm" and ask before I posted it and even ask where to post it. What you say passenger makes no sense cause I don't need to contact every mod about it, if I ask arwoo and he approved thats it. But again like our fellow community member said above no point in fighting as justice will always prevail. Now please use the space below to make up another nonsense counter argument and lets go and make another 22 pages about nothing. Remember this isn't nexon or people hate speech this is only constructive criticism for the future and ideas to help stimulate ideas and thoughts for future goals and achievements riza 2018
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I just explained how it doesn't fix anything since the question in your poll has already been resolved. Everyone, including most importantly Nexon, agrees that something needs to be done. Let's assume for the sake of discussion that your poll has 100 Yes votes and not a single No. Now what?
It is my job as a forum moderator to clean it up by merging threads about the same topic. Arwoo has not informed me of you being given permission to post a poll (and somehow I doubt you showed him the exact wording to get such permission), and Cuddles has no authority here.
You may all express your opinions in a peaceful manner in this thread.
I think your not getting the point. I posted 2 threads one in each ms1 and ms2 now my polls and plan for it I send arwoo the link and thread was for me to do this another way from what they are doing here. Similar to a petition format people fill up the forms and we show the numbers again your opinion made you judge the situation before you even knew it. I bet and I can put money on it if my name wasn't on it thread would not be touched. And remember I got permission and even sent the link so I mean it's another case of a person's opinion making them judge a situation before you knew it. I so for permission before hand cause I had a feeling it would of been taking down or destroyed in some type of way again not cool and yea shows alot. This is what we call freedom in the community. And I posted a similar thread in ms2 forum which i got permission for only slaty help move it in the right place and "Not destroyed it". But yea man no point of posting threads no more while I know you will be around to destroy so much for a happy community. And how are we supposed to speak peacefully if your going to remove it >.< man you don't see how backwards this is tho.
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