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hayato currently have an unfair advantage over all other classes due to dmg% boost from shimada heart
please remove hayato's shimada heart and reduce dmg% output from all their skills
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Shimada heart may be OP but does it really need to be REMOVED?
At best, I could see it getting a cap on DMG increase.
reducing damage on all their skills is the worst idea imagineable, sure add a cap to shimada heart but nerfing the oother skills would make them far weaker than any of the other classes, capping shimada heart would be enough to even them out especially as the only change for hayato since V was having the ability to get more def stat due to the def cap change, before that they were pretty even and some would even have considered hayato to be on the lower end of the damage scale
A nerf will probably come eventually, but region-exclusive classes are slow to get updates, so we may not see any changes for a long time. Though I'd love if we could stay strong for a bit longer to make up for all those years people laughed at us. Haha!
Hayato actually received a few more changes after V. The cast action on their Maple Warrior was removed (finally) and their crit damage was buffed from 8% to 25%. Yet Shimada Heart was left intact. Of course there's nothing stopping them from addressing it later on, but Hayato has already received two separate changes since V and nothing's been done about Shimada Heart yet... there could be a slight possibility that Nexon is happy with it and will leave it as it is.
did a hayato ks you? haha it's pretty sad all the other classes can be strong but once hayato gets somewhere people complain
There IS a cap on Shimada Heart, though. As there has always been.
@OP: Yes, let's revert Hayato back to its pre-revamp state. All those people who've been dedicated to the class since before they were any good damage-wise don't deserve to get nice things!
450% damage may be worth playing hayato for a few but you're gonna pay for it by cubing for % DEF instead of STR% and using up neb sockets with DEF and not STR or Attack/boss/dmg
Also just a reminder Hayato has 0% def skills so it's raw DEF and % DEF from outside resources.
I have to agree on you, i see Hayatos having far less str doing the same damage as others with more stats(having 25k str equal to 40k other jobs), but these people always have eqps with %def, they lose a lot of str to gain the defense, i still wonder if these guys have that much DEF, still i wonder if it's really broken due to no changes happen in the V-Patch.
10/10 my friends and i made the same jokes. How is a Kinesis going to complain about Hayato being op when they're a manaless class that can just spam ultimates
You have lots to learn here, kiddo. We get enough bad changes as it is without your encouraging them by asking for more nerfs.
yea nerf kinesis bots dood
just saying.
we should stick together and not be against each other.
Still gives me the giggles.
A "little nerf":
- Shining Santa Boxes.
- Choco Power!
- BFF Event.
Also numbers don't prove anything until you actually compare to some other classes and then against something that's actually a moving target like Chaos Vellum.
500% damage versus what? 0%? Are you trying to make it sound that Hayato is broken without comparing anything to it?
I feel like this entire thread is whining about how Hayato had a crappy mastery and now that it's good, "oh it's way too broken" without anything else to compare. It's like another thread where someone claimed DBs are weak yet the bias was based on outdated videos where damage caps still existed.
If you really want to prove that "Hayato is the most broken class" show some numbers to compare between each class and their effectiveness on a mob that moves. Do not use DPS/DPM charts because that assumes on insane variables which do include a stationary mob that does absolutely nothing.
You can't argue something based on nothing, that's where it makes no sense. If you don't have the time to prove it or don't want to then you can't just say "oh Hayato's broken now because the defense cap got raised". That literally says nothing besides "bigger numbers". There needs to be something to compare to.
^ THIS
Do not ever utter the words "nerf this" in any case, Nexon will begin to lick their chops and crack their coding fingers and say "all right, you asked for it..."