HHG1

Thanks for continuing to post these.

Fuhreak wrote: »

Your saying works against you as well. Players in regular servers don't have the same options available. It's all relative to how much money they have.

They do have the same options available. They're right there. Personal circumstances have nothing to do with it, and there are plenty of ways to progress F2P. You make the choice when you decide which server type to play, which options you want access to and which gametype suits your needs better. There are endless amounts of threads asking for guidance on which server type to choose.
I'd also appreciate it if you'd stop misquoting me to try and make a point.

Fuhreak wrote: »

I'd like to know who made you the deciding factor on what the rankings are or aren't.
Because I would answer no to both the first and last option.

Fuhreak wrote: »

The idea of equal footing rankings is a farce. It's nothing you should take too seriously, except maybe to compare yourself among friends or people in similar setups to your own.

I never said I was, I'm just trying to explain it objectively.
The rankings are competitive because it's a numbered list based on who gets more EXP faster. People can pass each other and reach the end goal faster or slower than others. Thus it is a competition. A race.
There are rankings in sports, and there are separate weight class rankings, there are even competitions that are separated by gender because the difference in physique matters. Rankings are rankings. You can be first and you can be last. Leaderboard.
Like you said, it's a way to compare yourself to other people on it who have similar setups. Comparing a reg server player and a reboot player is inaccurate because they in no way have similar setups, they're vastly different by default, it causes animosity and demotivates players because these differences are not apparent on a "Both" ranking.

You are free to look at the rankings however you want personally, but that doesn't change the fact that it's competitive and always has been.
All I want is for that competition to at least be separated based on server type because of the different options available in them. The gap is entirely too large for it to be even remotely fair.
Balancing the separate server options within themselves is a different issue and is something they tweak with constantly. As people have pointed out before me, putting some work into separating the rankings doesn't mean that they can't also adjust in-game balance. But unless Reboot and regular servers have the exact same progression options made available to them, I don't see a single reason to keep the "Both" tab, I see more reasons to remove it.

I think we agree that the KMS system is superior either way. If Nexon had made any type of promise to look into implementing them, then I would have been willing to drop the subject temporarily while they figure that out and ask for an update later on, but they didn't and I'm just trying to understand why and hopefully have them reconsider.

Fuhreak wrote: »

HHG1 wrote: »

Fuhreak wrote: »

HHG1 wrote: »

Yet Nexon went for the half-measure that pleases the vocal minority

The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Vocal Majority does not mean that the majority feels that way.
I would say that most people probably do not care about the rankings in the slightest.
For the players that do, the both tab should not bother you at all if it's not default and the search works as it should.

The issue is the Both tab being there in the first place as myself and others have explained in previous posts.
Nexon makes all kinds of adjustments in the name of "balance" while the Both tab is left alone despite being a horribly unbalanced representation of the game. Anyone with basic understanding of what a public ranking is should be able to see why it's an issue.

Rankings does not affect "balance" it only shows that one server is more popular and/or faster than the others.
The "balance" you're talking about is a completely different subject matter.
Since you're able to see that "issue" in the first place, that actually brings to light a different issue.
That reboot is either more popular or faster than other servers. Both which should be red flags.

Reboot (one server) should not be more popular than the rest combined.
Or Reboot, being the "hard server" should not be faster than normal servers.
The fact is, without the both tab, you wouldn't be aware of such issues in the first place.
Both tab is actually a good thing, from arguments of your own side.

When I say that the rankings are imbalanced I mean that they are leaning one way harder than the other because of the differences in servers and cannot accurately represent the in-game balance because the two server types are fundamentally different.

Your reasoning for the Both tab being useful is quite a reach and has no base in my argument. Having the two separate rankings would still reveal that Reboot is faster. Even the knowledge that Reboot has higher base exp, while regular server cannot use 2x coupons past 250 would make people draw the conclusion that Reboot would reach 275 faster. It makes sense that it's faster.

Reboot balancing is not what this thread is about though.
It's about whether having them both compete on the same ranking is appropriate or not. It's not.
The only thing the Both tab has made incredibly obvious post-250 is the fact that it should not exist. Many of us made the same arguments months and years ago, but it wasn't officially brought up until now.

Not to mention not everyone can one-shot while in dropgear. Trying to land a drop line and 1-2 relevant stat lines is a different hell in itself.

Even if the servers were closer together in progression pace, I still stand by that they should be on separate rankings entirely just because of the differences in progression. It's not a matter of which server is faster to 275, even by margin, it's a matter of whether they should be lumped together on the same rankings while playing under vastly different circumstances.
Most of the people I've talked to do not care if Reboot gets 275 first, as long as the rankings are separated so that this difference is clear. As it is now it only creates animosity.