Fuhreak

WONDERGUY wrote: »

Fuhreak wrote: »

ehh all this wont change anything in nexonNA any time soon but yea anyway

its not 100k players but accs by few users who use those to fund their "legit" accs or sell the goods to other
also AI to combat hackers its just a dream its not same as learning how to finish x task
both side works how to outsmart eachother

if nexon makes that dream Ai that learns how to catch hacker/rule breaker
rule breaks/hackers makes same kind of "ai" to learn fast how to avoid such flags

so it will be endless AI war loop that catch so many wrongly each time it gets "updated"
just like your video example the guy is "hacking" lets the AI beat the game perfectly without touching the keyboard/be near it
how are you going to stop that and make legit speed runers with just Ai?


all GM's/GM team can do its make that task of hacking/rule breaking harder and less pleasant
just like in KMS there is hackers too but not as much as in GMS
there will be hackers allways the point its to clean the damage from the hackers as much as possible but not hurt actual players
once their "mains legit" acc gets ban and all the work wasted there wont be so many hackers doing it or trying to do so

The problem is that humans can't combat that AI as well as other AI would be able to.
So if the hackers are using AI to avoid bans, then you need AI to combat their AI.
The best way to prevent hackers is to make it not worth their time. An aggressive AI helps with that, but it only stops them in one spot.
Account creation should be made harder for hackers as another step. You'll always have hackers within games, you'll always have false ban within games.
You should work to minimize both of these aspects and honestly given the number of bans Nexon does, I think they've got a nice balance going on.

There's a lot more to a GM than just banning hackers. It's something you'd have to move to Nexon's location for.
Not only this, most hackers are banned via auto-detect methods. Humans are much slower at banning than AI is.
If you were to do anything related to banning you would probably just be teaching the AI how to catch people it hadn't already caught.
I doubt you'd ever personally ban anyone and the reverse would actually be the case, you'd be unbanning people that the AI false flagged if you could prove it was a false flag.

GMs these days don't really play games and go around patrolling for hackers.
They're mostly there for events, answering questions, looking into issues, etc.
Active GMs in the game will do almost nothing to cut down on hackers.
Every single server has 20 channels. We have 7 servers counting the two EU ones.
This means for EVERY single map in the game they have to check 140 versions of it.
A single map chain is thousands of maps they have to check.

Nexon is banning tens of thousands of hackers per week and sometimes over one hundred thousand.
There's no way a group of humans could hope to match that.
Black Cipher needs to be improved, not removed.
Removing it would just allow anyone to hack because they no longer have to get tools to bypass hack protection.

http://forums.maplestory.nexon.net/discussion/26871/ban-data-from-01-23-2020-01-29-2020#latest
http://forums.maplestory.nexon.net/discussion/26817/ban-data-from-01-16-2020-01-22-2020#latest
Because otherwise GMs have to go through potentially hundreds of thousands of hackers per-week.
Automated ban systems can make mistakes, yes. But on the overall, AI is much better suited to handle these types of tasks than humans are.
The system probably used to flag suspects and let staff do their thing. But they probably just let it automatically ban once it passed a certain threshold where it was accurately flagging hackers X% of the time.

JushiroNet wrote: »

There's clearly a constant demand to be able to transfer nx items. Why have they not monetized single item transfers while also keeping the occasional free event?

If they're really that afraid of loosing money over this, they can always just charge people for it as you say.
Nexon Wins and players get at least a more consistent way of transferring items.
They're possibly worried that people won't buy new items as often if they can transfer old ones, but I doubt it would affect them that negatively.

I'll "take over" a map that a botter ran away from, which includes flowers/viens, but I won't touch a map that a bot/hacker is still on.
I haven't had any issues thus far doing this, but of course the safest option is to just leave the map ASAP.