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both of you been saying the same stuff how am im supposed to tell which is who lmao. same profile pic and same stuff lmao. but yea what ever i'm out of this while its just been a headache. If whta arkadian saying that theres no need for us to speak cause nexon going to come up with something and just going to take down or merge threads for no reason I want no point of it. but arwoo told me personally nexon knows and it will act soon. So anyway I see no point of a thread with no polls or no research or numbers behind. So enjoy the thread people and let the merge of threads and not servers begin
Try looking at who you're responding to before you post the comment. Besides that, you can't expect AKradian and the rest of the mod team to know that you got permission and leave the thread alone, nor do they have to send you a message (not an email, nowhere in my comment did I mention an email) about it. If you want a thread about a contentious topic that's currently being discussed in another large thread, then it's on you to contact all of the right people, not just one.
Also, I'd like for you to take a look at one of my "nonsense counter arguments" that I posted a couple of pages ago about what I think should happen. You keep talking about wanting progress in this thread and getting rid of useless comments, yet ~80% of your comment has nothing to do with neither server merges nor that particular thread getting moved (what happens on the MS2 forums doesn't matter; whatever topics you've brought up in the past doesn't matter; your self promotion doesn't matter), and you haven't even addressed that comment about possible options and steps moving forward. It's ridiculous.
I appreciate this thread has become the go-to place to anyone who's wondering about this subject, and that other threads are merged into this one, since it doesn't make much sense to have 1000 threads, written by the same people, all saying the same old things over and over again. But the conversation is already pointless, in my opinion. So I won't be posting here anymore. I don't want to continue to get involved in useless fights using fallacious arguments, or even some things that don't even resemble actual "arguments", and I don't see the point of repeating myself over and over, just to make *my personal opinion* stay visible in this monstrous thread. Plus, whatever we say that doesn't fit with the so-called "majority" gets immediately treated as "crazy", "irrational", "stupid", "selfish" and other stuff, which makes it even more pointless to continue trying to argue about it. People will think whatever they want to think, and that includes me, of course. I will continue to think the way I do, those who disagree with my views will do so too, and nothing will be gained from this fruitless exchange.
It is clear to me that this issue will continue to go on and that some people will continue to claim capacities, authorities, facts and truths they don't really have. It is also clear to me that, whatever happens, whenever it happens, it will be up to each and every one of the active players of the game to decide whether we agree with the implemented solution, whether we take part in it and carry on or whether we say good bye to this game for good, regardless of what some people who dream of being the "representatives of the people", "the overwhelming majority" or whatever may think or say.
My final words will be to say this one last time, just for the sake of it (well, if people can turn this into a political rally, I can repeat myself one last time to say the same thing I already said... ¬_¬):
1. I am someone who plays in Windia, one of the allegedly "dead servers", and I DO NOT WANT A MERGE. I don't want one now, I won't want one in the future.
2. I am among the people who will almost surely stop playing this game for good if something as drastic and unbearable were to happen.
3. I want to make it perfectly clear that the people in this thread who claim to know "what the people want", who claim to be "the voice of the people" or to represent "the majority" of the people in game DO NOT have my personal endorsement. They DO NOT speak for every single active player in this game and they most certainly DO NOT SPEAK ON MY BEHALF or "represent" me. I speak for myself. I don't need nor want "representatives".
That being said, I take my leave.
Adieu.
Gz and I support you staying in the dead server and you are absolutely right this thread unlike mine's is pointless and I also see no point in it. But honestly were all screwed either way by the way everyone acting no one bringing up good arguments, no great points and even worst solutions. And yea like I said before I am in favor of a merge if and only if transfer coupons or a transfer event isnt taken place. I am for and endorse the dead servers to be dead if they choose to do so. If a merge or transfer happens doesn't really impact me so to say but it does impact alot of friends in the community who weren't around to take part of the last event. I think overall alot of people just don't want to merge and become part of bera and Scania cause lets face it there's alot of hackers and dup items. We also have the markets that are also screwed up. These are the main reason or one of them most had said why a merge isn't to their liking. Honest players don't want to be mix with dishonest players and I agree with that. But again I only endorse a merge only and only if there isn't a transfer event and only if nexon takes their security seriously and eliminate the hackers. Also they do a mass game dup while out and while every single dup item out of the game. If they do this I will endorse a merge. If they cannot at least do 1 final transfer event on Christmas and we should be good. Remember this isn't nexon or people hate speech this is only constructive criticism for the future and ideas to help stimulate ideas and thoughts for future goals and achievements riza 2018
RizaSaika#8726
Riza Saika (bera-Leader of Dragontribe)
Riza Saika (ms community- Voice of the people)
Riza Saika (ms community- Voice of the voiceless)
Your'e against of any merge of any kind? Right now there is 6 worlds and only 1 of them is active and lively. You don't necessarily have to agree with "merge everything into Bera" but how about having 4 worlds, I wouldn't consider that too drastic.
By the way, I agree that this thread has gone out of hand, with these slogans
@Gomenasai @riza I would like you both to keep politicial discussions off the forums as this is not the place to discuss such acts here.
I’m giving a heads up to everyone to keep the thread civil and calm. We understand that Nexon hasn’t made an update recently on the world issues but there is no reason to turn this thread into a political campaign. As VFMs here, we have been reminding daily to look into the issues and perhaps provide an update. Things take time and not easy to implement but as said above, they are well aware of player’s concerns and they are continuing to work with the problem. We also merge threads to reduce the spam on the forum of same topic. Discussion here on your concerns is fine but try to not bring any political campaigns here and remain civil. Thank you.
I’m giving a heads up to everyone to keep the thread civil and calm. We understand that Nexon hasn’t made an update recently on the world issues but there is no reason to turn this thread into a political campaign. As VFMs here, we have been reminding daily to look into the issues and perhaps provide an update. Things take time and not easy to implement but as said above, they are well aware of player’s concerns and they are continuing to work with the problem. We also merge threads to reduce the spam on the forum of same topic. Discussion here on your concerns is fine but try to not bring any political campaigns here and remain civil. Thank you.
Ariel what are you talking about does this look like a political campaign? This is a simple case of mob mentality where if someone says something or if a label or sort is used then everyone band wagons and follows behind it. I am keeping it civil and I don't need you guys to tell me that. I been civil the whole throughout this process and done the right thing. I went as far to ask for permission to post a thread which we in the community shouldn't need to do. Now This isn't a spam. this isn't me being un calm its me being me which is a civilize regular human being. Now we in the community commented on this thread to come up with a resolution or solution to the ongoing problem. We understand nexon knows about it, but there a difference between knowing about a issue and knowing how an issue effects a person. Now if I go and give a solution or state a issue that is going on is that political? If I were to gather information with information or stats that nexon doesn't have cause lets face it we don't always have the right numbers or all the information is that political or the same issue or repeating a problem? Its not but the thing is when someone tells a vfm about these issues basically our informers in our community they either block or mute us or give us a warning for doing what were supposed to do. This in no way shape or form political. Now when I comment on issues or anything It means that I maybe see something you guys don't and everyone in here sees a issue and from what I seen the issues they seen I never looked at it that way even made me consider a little to change the way I thought about it. But you and no vfm and no one should tell a person that what we say doesn't matter and we are too political. This is our job in the community to observe and report. You are only a informer and you only inform us of news. We the community are the ones who make this ish happen. we are the icing on the cake if were weren't around nexon would only have bread. But like I said before you go call something political find out more about the situation and ask people if you don't agree then thats fine maybe you can ask the person why they think the way they do. The biggest relationship or job killer is lack of communication. When we press and use our powers on others it only breeds hate and makes others just don't want to deal with us. I do predict if you guys do this and get too extreme there will be no community or maple in the near future. So I ask for you to consider "not forcing you its a option
RizaSaika#8726
Riza Saika (bera-Leader of Dragontribe)
Riza Saika (ms community- Voice of the people)
Riza Saika (ms community- Voice of the voiceless)
Between you calling yourself the voice of the people, your "signature" promoting yourself, and Gomen demanding social justice, it's not hard to see pseudo-political implication of your words (I say pseudo because while it's not actual politics, it can be seen as a kind of "forum politics", for lack of a better phrase). It's as clear as day.
But there a difference between a title and me being in a political campaign. I am only saying I am not being political I am no fighting for no health care or anything you guys think it is. What I can say which is clear as day is some people are acting in mobs and only band wagoning which I like to call "mob Mentality" . Now what does it mean basically Some people act out in groups and shows actions they wouldn't normally show if said person was on their own. Other actions is labeling which we seen a lot of. But my thing rn is I care less for it rn. I only care about the big issues we face in this community. The mods and everyone can feel the way they want to as long as they don't force me or anyone to do the same. Now lets get back on topic and talk about the merge, transfer or solutions. Remember this isn't nexon or people hate speech this is only constructive criticism for the future and ideas to help stimulate ideas and thoughts for future goals and achievements riza 2018
RizaSaika#8726
Riza Saika (bera-Leader of Dragontribe)
Riza Saika (ms community- Voice of the people)
Riza Saika (ms community- Voice of the voiceless)
Call it whatever you want, but riza is right, his point is that we just want to have a lot of people in our server Bera.
Let's face it, Scania and the other worlds are dead already, I've just taken a look at Scania, and this is really really dead over there...
So yes, as many people have mentioned, I also think that it'd be the best solution to merge everything to Bera, not including Reboot.
We must change everything for the better, and we must do it now.
We can't just keep on paying attention to the minority of the game, no one has to suffer because of them, like, seriously.
The first idea sounds somewhat dumb because players choose where they want to go (I'm not against players having choices.) The problem with that we are not going to have an even population and Bera could go from crowded to dangerously crowded while other servers just dry up. The inverse of this can happen where ifBera becomes unavailable and someone shouts "Let's make Broni HUUUGE!" and Broni because the new Bera.
For TRUE merges, people who made 46+ characters by extending their armies into other allying worlds would have to "kill" or delete some mules. There is another conflict with storage if storage is overfilled and you decide to merge storage with raising the capacity of the safe itself. Worlds merging into one like Kradia + Dementhos = Luna (not DK) in EMS might had came with some character deletions if they went past the limit Pre-V and items in storage getting changed if one stuffed one to full capacity.
World Alliances are sloppy on the surface since the world selection screen does not look simplified. The beauty of alliances is that any personal progress such as storage expansion is kept and you don't need to worry about deleting characters. To Scanians, Windians and Berans, each of the worlds in an alliance have separate Reward Point Shop purchase limit as well as attendance checks.
Whether we are given the choice to move or Nexon plans on merging or allying our severs, I can guarantee no one wants to have to deal with other sacrifices or have to redo other tedious tasks. These things include re-expanding storage, redoing monster collection and as mentioned above, deleting characters and having to fit items into storage and character rosters.
I find the idea of having quiet worlds for players would backfire. Not only it is like going to an empty store or having no customers, some content and events won't work the few player(s) in the ghost town will be severely weaker. If I were the only person in GRAZED right now, minigames from the Ark Discovery events and games like Bingo will fail to initiate due to not having not enough players.
I would personally choose to alliance with other servers even thought it makes world selection look busy when are actually less worlds (like how auditoriums have two sets of doors and not different rooms.) Being in an alliance salvages a lot of progress and players who don't play in an allianced server will enjoy the perks of being in an alliance.
I am curious, would you want to wait for world leap, ask for a merge, or have Nexon forge alliances? And regardless whether they mix populations or use either method of addition, more channels per world would be helpful. :P
Is it really impossible to have a merge without character deletion? When they merge the worlds if they choose to can't they simply just extend the number of character slots?
However, I don't see any drawbacks with an alliance. Also I was thinking since, bots have been mentioned as a problem,if there was fewer worlds, theoretically shouldn't it be easier to ban botters, as there is less worlds to police and easier to keep them under surveillance.
However, if the total of characters was higher than the cap, then deleting a character would not free up a slot.
And, obviously, using a char slot coupon did nothing.
Unfortunately this came with a bug that made char slot coupons not work for some people even though they had very few characters in Luna, but that's besides the point... or is it? Bugs are to be expected with server merges. Far more than with alliances. But I digress. Point is, nobody lost any chars.
I don't get it, what's the difference between alliance and merge? isn't the results are the same? like, people from 2 different worlds see and meet with each other? if so, then why don't we just make a big alliance world between all the worlds (except Reboot)? really easy and simple, great solution.
Because it does not solve the issue of people who don't want to be in a crowded world, or the difficulty Nexon's servers seem to be having dealing with a high population.
The big issue we have at hand is this event should of never happen to begin with most to all worlds were ok. The reason why the game is as bad as it is now is cause nexon didn't consider the cons they just threw us a event. In any type of event planning or implementing of anything they have to have a back up plan or consider the worst. Its similar to what I tell my friends and guildies all the time "ok thats a good idea but what if it gets screwed up?" these things happen all the time. Nexon I don't mind them taking long cause I at least want them to consider the cons and pros of anything they will ever do in the future of this game. Cause lets face it even if we solve this issue there are future issues to come and if the team isn't critically thinking or coming up with back up plans for in case theirs fail its all for nothing. Also if I can round this off due to the people who commented in this thread and the numbers I been looking into prob 100-500 people in the dead servers want no change which I know alot of us who are in the big servers and who got left behind are thinking "whats wrong with them?" but I understand them they want no part of bera for the same reasons I didn't at first. I sucked it up cause my guildies well being were more then my personal feelings. As leader my feelings do come into play but I have to make decisions thats best for the everyone. I think all of us to a extent went through this same situation. I feel we have the tools to fix the issues but it means nothing if nexon doesn't pre plan and come up with plans for in case they mess up. Basically the main reason why people are against a merge into bera is due to hacking and dups I like to note that in bera no one barely trains cause who ever is hacking the servers sends bots to hack a map and then go on their mains to train in the maps. I like for someone in the nexon team to come and visit these servers and check out the state of the activity and what goes on. We used to have this and we should have more visits. You cant understand a issue if your not in it or walking in the heat of it. But yea I am in favor of a transfer event if nexon doenst solve the hacking and exploiting issue. Also punishments for people cheating their way to level or getting items but then again thats a issue for another time, but again theres alot of issues but as of rn nexon has to know all the issues before coming up with a solution and I think first step is to send in a team to come into our servers and check it out also for those who didn't know korean nexon does have a death team. We should make use of it if no one in the usa team can do anything.
Bro it sounds great but remember there's issues that wont make it work and usually im not the guy who does this. It sounds like the most smartest thing to do but then again we have issues in the big servers nexon maybe aware of or is ignoring cause of revenue. The hackers or people who run the market are the one and only big issue in this whole topic. Maybe can be one of the main reasons why we cant merge yet. We have issues with pricing, dup items, and hackers and players alike influencing the market to benefit a small minority. This alone is the one reason why people are against it and I don't blame them. Now if it has to do with people hating bera people personality me personally I can care less due to me having my own friends so that we can leave out this. But like I said we need to address the hacker and exploitation topic. If we can get rid of all of them then we wont need to worry about a merge cause there be nothing wrong and no reason not to merge. But people fear a merge with bera due to accidentally buying a dup and item disappearing. Also as you seen in this thread with all the personal attacks and how the way most of us think and go about things are very different its worst in bera. Took me a long time to find a nice group that can get along and be accepting of everyone regardless of background and personal beliefs or personality. But that can be said for anything but I know a lot of people told me this. But we have a big majority of anti social people which we must accommodate for and I say the dead worlds can also be considered the Maple version of a safe space as the sensitivity is real. So we must consider the dead worlds as being a safe space for those people. For now the community as it stands is over unless nexon bans and gets rid of all hackers or dups regardless if the people who maybe may be people we like get exposed. We must do this for the sake of our game and community but I doubt nexon would do it. Would hurt a lot of you guys finding out a person did that lmao. So overall there are underlining issues we must take care of before a full blown merge is to take place. We can solve the issue in a day but we must also consider that a lot of people will quit if the game is no longer exploitable and I can say those people are in fact the same ones who give us a lot so if we are willing to go to that extent to do whats right for the whole community nexon knows what it must do. Remember this isn't nexon or people hate speech this is only constructive criticism for the future and ideas to help stimulate ideas and thoughts for future goals and achievements riza 2018
RizaSaika#8726
Riza Saika (bera-Leader of Dragontribe)
Riza Saika (ms community- Voice of the people)
Riza Saika (ms community- Voice of the voiceless)